Mary and Jesus both came from the tribe of Judah. Judah actually means Jew. So they were both as Jewish as Jewish can be. I would imagine they would have been neither black nor white but dark complicted with olive skin.

but didn't those tribes come from egypt? and there are plenty of blacks in egypt as well as arabs. how do you draw your conclusions?

Something I find interesting, is that there seems to be a popular opinon that Jesus was white.

Ummm, what about the fact that he was born in the middle east,etc... He'd naturally have dark skin.

Peace, ~Lucas

but didn't those tribes come from egypt? and there are plenty of blacks in egypt as well as arabs. how do you draw your conclusions?

Jacob and his clan (12 sons and families) went down to Egypt as a result of famine. It didn't change the fact they were Hebrews. They were protected there; did well until the new ruler came in and many years went by. These same Hebrews became slaves. This was for 430 years. It didn't change their color. They did not intermarry for the most part keeping their tribes intact. That was very important to them. They went in as 70 with Jacob and came out 400 yrs later as 603,000 men alone with Moses.

These same Hebrews became slaves. This was for 430 years. It didn't change their color. They did not intermarry for the most part keeping their tribes intact.

yeah, right...the only slave owner that knocked up a slave was thomas jefferson, lol...

you don't think the slaves were used sexually, at will, by their egyptian overlords. do that for 430 years and i think you'd see some different skin hues. and darker colors dominate the genepool almost exclusively.

i think that view is a lil naive

You know, the interesting part is while I've seen Jesus in black and brown, has anyone seen a Mary that wasn't lily white? I have a feeling that a black Mary will tick some people off even more than a black Jesus.

Now that you mentioned it I don't think I have. You could be right about that one!

Reply By: little-whipPosted: Wednesday, November 01, 2006There's nothing uncommon about Black Madonnas, actually.

Wow Whip thanks for the information. I had no idea.

but I still say you'll hear a bigger stink about a black (african) Mary. The article says that african Marys are popular in America, but I can't for the life of me remember ever seeing one.

I would agree with you there Baker. I've never seen one myself.

me neither...i've seen a few that looked a lil italian, but not black

Possibly because there are Italians who have dark complexion.

I would imagine they would have been neither black nor white but dark complicted with olive skin.

Yes, I believe that is possible.

and there are plenty of blacks in egypt as well as arabs.

As for as I know personally from what I've read, this is affirmative.


Personally, when I lived in NY, the neighborhood I lived in was pretty mixed and I knew a few egyptians who were dark complexion, a few Italians who were olived skinned as well as quite a few Africans that were white. It was quite a rainbow!

People never seem to remember or realise that it's not just a certain color people that comes from any one country. The majority may be one particular race or color but there are other types as well. For example, my hubby gets flak all the time because he doesn't look Jamaican yet he sounds more Jamaican than I do because his accent is much stronger than mine.

Something I find interesting, is that there seems to be a popular opinon that Jesus was white. Ummm, what about the fact that he was born in the middle east,etc... He'd naturally have dark skin.

This is what KFC was saying, they were probably not fair/light complexion. I dont' know really, despite the pictures I've seen over the years.

yeah, right...the only slave owner that knocked up a slave was thomas jefferson, lol...

I think we can all say, not!

you don't think the slaves were used sexually, at will, by their egyptian overlords. do that for 430 years and i think you'd see some different skin hues. and darker colors dominate the genepool almost exclusively.

I would have to agree with you on this Sean, given the human complexities and their desires, I think them not having done so would have been impossible. Hey, it just depends on the gene pool, my two girls are fair like their dad and my son is like me!

yeah, right...the only slave owner that knocked up a slave was thomas jefferson, lol...

This may have happened. If you've seen the movie 10 Commandments we see an instance of it, but one thing I do know is there was a fear of the Hebrew's God. An example of this just before the time period we're talking is found here in Gen 26..

And Isaac dwelt in Gerar: And the men of the place asked him of his wife; and he said, She is my sister: for he feared to say, She is my wife; lest, said he, the men of the place should kill me for Rebekah; because she was fair to look upon. And it came to pass, when he had been there a long time, that Abimelech king of the Philistines looked out at a window, and saw, and, behold, Isaac was sporting with Rebekah his wife.And Abimelech called Isaac, and said, Behold, of a surety she is thy wife: and how saidst thou, She is my sister? And Isaac said unto him, Because I said, Lest I die for her. And Abimelech said, What is this thou hast done unto us? one of the people might lightly have lien with thy wife, and thou shouldest have brought guiltiness upon us. And Abimelech charged all his people, saying, He that toucheth this man or his wife shall surely be put to death. [/B]

A pagan king imposing the death penalty on anyone troubling Isaac or Rebekah suggests God was at work to preserve His chosen seed. This sort of thing gets repeated often so it's not an isolated case.

further down we read:

[B]And they said, We saw certainly that the LORD was with thee: and we said, Let there be now an oath betwixt us, even betwixt us and thee, and let us make a covenant with thee; That thou wilt do us no hurt, as we have not touched thee, and as we have done unto thee nothing but good, and have sent thee away in peace: thou art now the blessed of the LORD.

Actually if you go back to Gen 12 you'll see this same thing happened to Abraham, the father of all the Hebrews...and it happened in Egypt. Only this time the Pharaoh and his house were hit with plagues for the sake of Abraham's wife.

kfc...did it ever occur to you that people wrote scriptures threating plagues or saying that a plague came because God was angry at anyone who messed with jewish girls was to scare them?

maybe they had to write these things because the intermixing between egyptians and jews was rampant?

just like most old testament scripture paints many women as chaste or "a whore." 1 is untouchable because she is pure and with God. the other is so disgusting you want to touch her. when i've talked to rabbi's on this, they have told me that the scriptures are that way because they were being taught to young , pubescent, teenage boys. and what are teenage boys interested in most? girls! and the rabbi's didn't want them chasing girls, they wanted them studying scripture.

in order for you to understand where i am coming from...check out some thomas paine (give me liberty or give me death) writings...i'm not gonna clutter this with long copy/pastes , so i'll give ya link...WWW Link

I don't know if our country will be "traumatized" by the film. I haven't even heard of the film, so I doubt that it will make the "waves" that say, "Passion of the Christ" did.

I've always pictured Jesus being a "mix," colored much like KFC described him. I figure if he came to save ALL people, and biologically he's HALF of God, and we're made in GOD'S likeness...well...He probably looked like a "mutt". I don't think I'd care one way or another what he's colored like or looked like. I think it's cool that different cultures picture him differently. I think it would be hard for me to picture Jesus being Japanese or something.

so I doubt that it will make the "waves" that say, "Passion of the Christ" did.

actually, i can see the rhetoric over the horizon. anyone who questions anything aboutthis film will be painted as closed minded and racist.

i have no idea what color christ was in any certainty. and frankly, i really don't care to waste my time worrying about it. i'll have fun speculating about it for a bit, but that's all...the messages christ delivered are what matters.

i have no idea what color christ was in any certainty. and frankly, i really don't care to waste my time worrying about it. i'll have fun speculating about it for a bit, but that's all...the messages christ delivered are what matters.

I couldn't agree more.

foreverserenityOctober 31, 2006 13:42:08

the original old testament mentions GOD in the female form at least twice.

the original old testament mentions GOD in the female form at least twice.

Oh yeah? Can you give me the texts on this?

in order for you to understand where i am coming from...check out some thomas paine (give me liberty or give me death) writings...i'm not gonna clutter this with long copy/pastes , so i'll give ya link...WWW Link

do you always believe everything you read on the net? I checked out the link. Did you check out the guy behind the link?

I can see why he would not care for biblical literacy. Check out his interests.

Here's his blog page.....WWW Link

I'd say there's a little bit of self interest here.

I don't mind checking out Paine. But to go to this site wouldn't be the place to go. I wouldn't believe a thing this guy has to put out.

Be careful what you read on the net.

I don't mind checking out Paine

actually i've read all those before and they looked like the same paine writings i read years ago.

Oh, Christ...chances are, Jesus just had a really dark tan from walking all over the place or had a Middle Eastern tone. Either way, it doesn't matter in the slightest...black, white, brown, or asian...Jesus is Jesus, and if you're Christian just pay attention to the teachings and you're good to go.

I also don't think blacks were persecuted in the Middle East 2,000 years ago...but I don't have any actual research to back that up, so I'm just assuming...if anyone can find out one way or the other that would help.

~Zoo