"No one argued this. The target of this blog - as spelled out in the headline(!) - is 'Christian Conservative groups'. No one said 'ALL Christians'."

So all groups who are both Christian and Conservative think Spongebob is gay? I'm thinking accusations of hypocracy are dead on. It's the same asinine attitude that happened after the whole tinky winky thing. Jerry Falwell says something, so people have carte blanche to smear me and my beliefs.

Secularist bigots appear to be at it again. Any excuse is enough for a little Christian bashing, I guess. As long as you say "not ALL Christians" you're fine, kind of like how other bigots say "not ALL black people" or "not ALL Jews". As long as we say what you think is right, you're nice and tolerant, I guess. Sho' boss, i'z a gooood Christian.

pig.

'So all groups who are both Christian and Conservative think Spongebob is gay?'
No, BakerStreet, just some. Nor does your post imply that ALL 'secularist bigots appear to be at it again', only that some are. If you mean all, you say 'ALL'. It's really not that difficult a grammatical construct.

'As long as you say "not ALL Christians" you're fine, kind of like how other bigots say "not ALL black people" or "not ALL Jews".'
While there is ample evidence that there are Christian Conservative groups out there right now claiming that Spongebob Squarepants is gay, according to BakerStreet's argument no one is allowed to say so because that would be Christian bashing. (So I guess we'd just have to wait until all Christians were doing it?)

'pig'
Very constructive, very thoughtful, very Christian.

MasterWriter -

Your story is a sad one, but only illustrates what bigotry and hatred does. Be it against a race, a religion, a lifestyle, whatever.. it hurts someone along the way.
I truly believe that in the end it is the bigot that suffers, not the intended victim.

"No, BakerStreet, just some. Nor does your post imply that ALL 'secularist bigots appear to be at it again', only that some are. If you mean all, you say 'ALL'. It's really not that difficult a grammatical construct."

Either it's bigoted, tactless, or just too lazy to find out which group made the statement. If a terrorism report is on a public TV, and I say "Those Muslims are at it again" at the top of my lungs, how do you think I'd be percieved? Do you think I'd be excused if I tagged "fundamentlaist" onto it? Nah. It would still be a bigoted comment.

Yes, I called you a pig. I don't feel any "christian" obligation to tolerate adolescent junk like that. Nice of you to tell me what "Christian" behavior is, though, thanks.

'Either it's bigoted, tactless, or just too lazy to find out which group made the statement.'
No BakerStreet, as I said before it's grammar.
And the groups are the American Family Association and Focus on the Family - as you would know if you had followed the link provided on the initial post.
Now, can we move on from the insults please, as they have no bearing on the valid point that foreverserenity has raised here. Thanks!

No, you're being facetious. If someone said "The African American groups are at it again", or "The Homosexual groups are at it again" regarding something negative, I don't think a grammar lesson would soothe many people's feelings about it. Ross Perot said "You people" and basically destroyed his campaign.

People are taught to be tactful regarding race, to take the feelings of the listener into consideration. They remain sadly ignorant otherwise, evidently.

It's funny, because liberals are offended when people talk about "the left" or "the liberals" and how silly they are, even though the writers never specify all liberals, which means it should not be offensive in any way. Why is that, liberals? Are liberals mentally impaired?

'pig' Very constructive, very thoughtful, very Christian.

Well, Jesus called someone a dog....

There's a lot of mischaracterization going on about Christians, particularly on the "spongebog" issue. First of all, I don't see why anyone even watches that cartoon. It has not redeeming entertainment value. But personal opinion on the entertainment aside, the point that conservative Christian groups are actually trying to make is NOT that "spongebob" is gay. It is that the cartoon is being used in a way that can easily be an arguing tool for pro-homosexual agendas---saying that any kind of "family unit" is acceptable that anyone opposed to that is wrong. Even such longtime valuable shows as Sesame Street have become tools in this manner. Sir Peter Maxwell's ridiculous remarks notwithstanding, a real Christian knows exactly who he/she is as a born again child of God. A real Christian knows that the Bible is to be considered the Word of God, and that the teachings therein are both a Testament of what we as believers have in Christ, and a roadmap to what God expects of us. Homosexuality is clearly a sin according to God's Word. Anyone who denies that is creating the wildest of interpretations that cannot be substantiated. Homosexuality is no larger or lesser of a sin than any other sin in the Bible. In other words, ANYTHING that is not a thought, expression or behavior that Christ modeled for us, or that God directs in His Word, is considered unacceptable. The entire Old Testament was built around a book of laws to provide an external direction to counter what sinful mankind was driven to do, and there were specific ways of redemption. Christ became the be-all and end-all of redemption. So, while we as believers still wrestle with the fleshly drives because of our physical form and inheritance, repentance and the act of turning AWAY from those things in the knowledge and faith that we are truly forgiven for those acts is the hope of our calling.

The point is, alleged Christians who seek any kind of violence against homosexuals are wrong. We are to do nothing to encourage or make acceptable ANY kind of sin. But we are to embrace those who sin and introduce them to Christ. The individual must come to the realization that whatever sins they are engaging in are unacceptable to God, then repent and turn away from them. The problem is, too many people either don't know what they are doing is unacceptable, or don't want to believe there even is such a person as God--which would mean there really is an absolute right and wrong.

I have had homosexual friends at many points in my life, and had very deep, serious discussions about these very topics with them. The ones who do, in fact, love God truly struggle with these unnatural desires, and they often find their bodies at odds with their spirits. But such as it is with all of us who are believers. For some of us it may be the strong desire for pornography, or smoking, or drinking, or violence. All of these can be brought into subjection as we draw closer to God. But the first step absolutely is to acknowledge what God says about a thing and then seek to be like Him. We, as Christians, need to combat the agenda to continue immoralizing this nation, but at the same time open the doors of hope, faith, and deliverance for those who are wrestling with those various desires. It doesn't make it easy when there is a whole counter-culture designed to legitimize all sorts of behavior and even make it attractive. When you can laugh at a thing, you've accepted the thing.

Wow! I didn't even realize that they never do actually call Sponge Bob gay, but in fact, that was what was people claimed they said, in an attempt to undermine the point they had (which I'm sure even some non-Christians would agree with, since sexual identity also applies to polygamists, the incestuous, and swingers, and I'm positive that most liberals are not all right with any of those things).

"Wow! I didn't even realize that they never do actually call Sponge Bob gay"

The issue is that cartoon characters are being used to teach tolerance of something that not everyone believes should be tolerated. FurryCanary and others like to paint it with a broad brush, though, and claim others don't read the article.

I guess people are shocked that many, many people around the world differ with homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle. They want to paint it as extremist and fringe, but in reality there's no objective truth here, it is all based on the subjective ideals of the individual. In that light, articles like this are just heavy handed judgements of other people's beliefs, no more or less valid than the author's.

If the author is outraged at homosexuality being shoved into the face of kids, I think Conservative Christian groups are pretty far down the list of people with that agenda. So far I have dodged that bullet numerous times during my child's first 8 years, and so far not a single time has it been an anti-gay group that provoked the situation...

My thing is...is that how many kids who are watching Barney or Spongebob are really paying attention to the characters' "sexual preferences." How can something that is imaginary and animated be homosexual? I mean really. People can be homosexual, but Spongebob can NOT be homosexual. Barney is a large, purple dinosaur that sings stupid songs. How can a large purple dinosaur be gay?

Just let the kids be kids and enjoy the shows for what they're worth, and not add a whole bunch of sexual junk to it, you know?

Well said, RobertCF.

"Wow! I didn't even realize that they never do actually call Sponge Bob gay"

It's funny. How many times do secularists call Bert and Ernie a gay couple? On SNL last night Tiny Fey called Dora the Explorer a "carpet muncher." The propaganda is so heavy that everyone now accepts as "fact" that Peppermint Patty and Marcie are lesbians. Where's the outrage?

Non-Christians are constantly bashing children's characters and impugning their sexuality. Let a Christian even suggest that something is possibly being used to promote homosexuality as being acceptable and look at the hatred and prejudice fly.

And you don't understand why BakerStreet is calling you bigoted?

On SNL last night Tiny Fey called Dora the Explorer a "muff diver."

She called her a 'carpet muncher.' Get your facts right!

She called her a 'carpet muncher.' Get your facts right!

"Damn @#%$ing fact-checking bloggers!" -- Dan Rather (2004)

Yes, you are right. (Text has been corrected.) I thought one thing and typed another. That's what I get for blogging/commenting while emotional.


(Emotional over Johnny Carson, not this issue, btw.)