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Why is it so hard to keep it clean?
Published on September 22, 2006 By foreverserenity In Parenting

I’ve read that a parent shouldn’t stress over a messy room. OK. I’ve relented a bit since reading that, and even after a past discussion with the pediatrician. Some times I just close their door and ignore it. I’ve even gone inside to clean up myself if it’s too much. Or resorted to cut backs on toys, games or something that is beloved just to get the rooms cleaned up. But after a while that tactic doesn’t work anymore. At least not for my oldest daughter.

She’s a sweet child. She’s a good child. I know that. I love her dearly but for the love of George her room is a pig sty! Not ‘like a’; ‘is’! I give her some freedom because she has homework, gets busy with projects, after school activities, and works the weekends half day and what ever else she wants to do.

It’s not like she doesn’t have time. She really doesn’t make the time. I’ve given her containers, closet hanging stuff, more chests in her room, offered ideas, offered my help and assistance and she refuses my help each time. So I decided not to stress it anymore or her, just leave her be. And I did.


Until three weeks ago when I decided to open her door to seek shoes she had borrowed. Oh – my – God!!!!! AWWWWWWWWWWW!

Just because I wasn’t on her case about it anymore it’ has grown into a mountain, a dump, a wasteland. Everywhere there is clothes, shoes, books, papers, everywhere. Everything is on the floor, bed, desk, dresser, chests, and every surface! No…..why?

I sat her down to find out if there’s a problem. No there isn’t. Why does the bedroom look like that? Nothing, she just hasn’t made time to clean it. Well, this can’t be left like that. That’s an invitation for bugs and every critter that lives out in the grass outside to come inside! I don’t want bugs in my home, clean it up!

She made an attempt, didn’t complete it. Several times she tells me she’s doing it. It’s still the same. Yet she has time for IMs everyday, emails everyday, her My Space everyday, the cell phone everyday, the internet to hang with her friends, everyday. Going out, doing activities after school, having sleep over, in the guest room of course, going to sleep over, trips to the mall with friends. Everything except to clean her room.

So this morning I did the one thing I should have done weeks ago. I changed all the passwords for each persons account on the computer (my computer is the only one with the Internet). Now I’m the only one with the passwords to get the computer going. No one, I mean no one is going to use it without my permission. No one is going to have their passwords, not even my hubby! He will give in to their demands that's why!

I sat and created two lists. One for my oldest daughter, and the other for my son. I wrote a list of the things that needed to be completed in their rooms. I numbered them but they can do them in whatever order they want. They must clean up because I’m at the last straw. If they can find time to have fun and do all the other stuff, they can find time to do their chores.

It was time to get a handle on this problem. While I was at work I wondered if I was just making too much out of it. Maybe I shouldn’t have done it this way. Maybe I should have done something else. But I’ve done every thing I can. I’ve talked to them, I’ve lectured, I’ve reasoned, I’ve denied them things, I’ve given incentives. Nothing worked. So the one thing they all enjoy doing on a daily basis, computer time, has been taken away until they do clean up.

So far my son has completed his task. Unfortunately my daughter hasn’t yet, because she hasn’t started. I’ll wait it out now that I’ve done this and see what happens next.

I know there are no mental or other issues going on with her. So I’m not worried about that as the reason why she’s such a slob. I told her I don’t’ expect her to be perfect. It just looks really bad for her room to be like that. Am I making too much of an issue of it? Maybe, but if you saw the room, it reminds me of pictures I’ve seen of a tornado passing through a town. That’s how bad her room is. So no, I don’t think so at all!

While I’m not perfect myself, I’ve taught them tricks to use until they can find the time to really clean. But alas, even that doesn’t work!

Oh yes, that tired task of cleanliness. Why oh why is it so difficult for them to do it?




Comments
on Sep 23, 2006
Serenity, I think it was a smart idea for you to have put those passwords on the computer...now they really know you are serious about them doing their fair share of work.
Here is hoping they spiffy up their rooms soon and keep them that way.
on Sep 23, 2006
My room is always in disarray...but never have I had piles of things laying around...I've always had a floor to walk on without tripping.

~Zoo
on Sep 23, 2006


Just because I wasn’t on her case about it anymore it’ has grown into a mountain, a dump, a wasteland. Everywhere there is clothes, shoes, books, papers, everywhere. Everything is on the floor, bed, desk, dresser, chests, and every surface! No…..why?


Lordy does this bring back memories! heheeh
on Sep 23, 2006
I have the exact same problem with my 15 y/o son. I also use to walk by and just shake my head and close the door. I am all for giving my children there privacy and try to let their room be there own space without me pestering them to clean this or pick up that. That was until I was looking for one of my dvd's. I found the dvd and decided that I would pick up all of his dirty *nose holding* smelly clothes out of his room. I was on my hands and knees on the floor reaching way under his bed for clothes when my hand landed in a bowl full of sour milk and mushy cereal. I have a weak stomach as it is. His smelly laundry was bad enough but this was plain ol' nasty. I moved his bed out and found all of my missing plates, glasses and bowls. Now these were beyond washing. There was mold all over most of them. I have a huge and I mean HUGE fear of bugs, especially roaches. NO WAY could I let this go on. I wanted *sigh* and still want this room clean!! The basement of our house has been turned into a game room, pool table, video games ect so all of his friends were always over. Which was fine with me , I always felt better knowing he was close and still having fun with his friends. This was 2 weeks ago. The one thing I knew that would bother him most was not allowing him to have any of his friends over. He is no longer aloud to eat or drink in his room. I have had a few of his friends come up to me and offer to clean the room. They all miss coming over and well I kinda miss having all of his friends around. But I have to stand my ground this time. He still has not cleaned it but I have not givin' up. His friends are always on his azz to clean it...hopefully that works.

on Sep 23, 2006
Serenity, I think it was a smart idea for you to have put those passwords on the computer...now they really know you are serious about them doing their fair share of work.


I realise I should have done that a long time ago. My son did, his sister, not yet.



I've always had a floor to walk on without tripping.


That's good. I can't say the same for her. You cannot see the floor! Paper, shoes, handbags, all over!


Lordy does this bring back memories! heheeh


So you know what I'm going through!


Reply By: SeriousKissPosted: Saturday, September 23, 2006


You too know exactly what I'm going through! OMG! My daughter began cleaning then promptly went to sleep. She got up this morning, I took her to work, she came home and asked me to use the computer because she's applying to different colleges. Only because of this did I let her use it. I put the password in and they still don't know them.

She had only a limited time on it. I told her tomorrow, no computer at all, no matter what it is, the room as to be cleaned. She was supposed to go out, nope, not happening. The doctor said, close the door and don't stress over it, but I can't do that anymore either because this is out of control.

That was until I was looking for one of my dvd's. I found the dvd and decided that I would pick up all of his dirty *nose holding* smelly clothes out of his room


I've done that before. Gone in and clean up and one time she was grateful for the help. My hubby did it prior to the state her room is in now, when he cleans, well, lets just say, the way some men clean, out of sight out of mind, then toss everything in the machine, even clothes that were not supposed to be dried by the dryer, well, she came to me complaining, I asked her whose fault is that, if she would take care of her room this wouldn't happen.


hand landed in a bowl full of sour milk and mushy cereal. I have a weak stomach as it is. His smelly laundry was bad enough but this was plain ol' nasty. I moved his bed out and found all of my missing plates, glasses and bowls.


I don't let her do this anymore. I go in and pick up any containers because if I were to wait on her, well, I think the same would happen. NOW I am on her back to get things out immediately.

Hopefully your son will clean up. I think they just get overwhelmed. That and being too lazy to put away their clothes. God luck with yours!
on Sep 24, 2006
Ya know, the more that I think about it and trust me, I try NOT to think about it..I really like your idea about the computer. Now that his friends cant come over he has been spending a heck of a lot of time on his computer. I have two little girls that I am always picking up after I refuse to clean his room this time. I'll give him a few more days then his mouse and keyboard are MINE

Best of luck with your daughter.
on Sep 24, 2006
I dunno. I can appreciate your need for order but imagine having a couple of kids who only knew how to put things in the "right" box.

Yuk.

Dirty is totally unacceptable but messy... well thats just your opinion. Perhaps its just a form of brilliance that you dont have the capacity to understand. Remember that children are closer to God than either you or I. Maybe they're just concentrating on what's "really" important.

When you die are you going to reflect on your life and be thankful that everything was in just the right box? Wouldn't it be better to look back on a couple of beautiful, expansive and totally "out of the box" kids?

If you're concerned about futures and wealth etc for your kids then rest assured, i know some very wealthy (100's of millions) people who are both messy yet brilliant, engaging and happy people. Whats more important?

Dirt and filth requires a kick in the pants but disorder and non conformity requires quiet encouragement and celebration.


on Sep 24, 2006
Ya know, the more that I think about it and trust me, I try NOT to think about it..I really like your idea about the computer. Now that his friends cant come over he has been spending a heck of a lot of time on his computer. I have two little girls that I am always picking up after I refuse to clean his room this time. I'll give him a few more days then his mouse and keyboard are MINE


I think that is a good idea!


Best of luck with your daughter.


Thx SeriousKiss! I'll let you know what happen. She's supposed to begin the dreaded task today when she gets home from work. I"m going to do her a favor and clean their bathroom just this once so she can put all her energy on that room! Blech!


ScoffPiggy:
I dunno. I can appreciate your need for order but imagine having a couple of kids who only knew how to put things in the "right" box.


At least they'll know HOW to put something in a box. There can be an art to it right? Depending on how creative a child is. They can make a game out of it, it can become a big production or they can just sit and look at it hoping it will take care of itself.


Dirty is totally unacceptable but messy... well thats just your opinion. Perhaps its just a form of brilliance that you dont have the capacity to understand. Remember that children are closer to God than either you or I. Maybe they're just concentrating on what's "really" important. When you die are you going to reflect on your life and be thankful that everything was in just the right box? Wouldn't it be better to look back on a couple of beautiful, expansive and totally "out of the box" kids?If you're concerned about futures and wealth etc for your kids then rest assured, i know some very wealthy (100's of millions) people who are both messy yet brilliant, engaging and happy people. Whats more important?Dirt and filth requires a kick in the pants but disorder and non conformity requires quiet encouragement and celebration.


Um, actually, if you knew me at all, you'ld realize I"m not perfect. I get messy too. I have perfectly arrange piles within a stack that are waiting to be taken care of. I've told her she can do the same because we all get busy and sometimes you might just plumb not feel like it, cleaning that is. The point is not the mess, the point is not being obsessed with cleanliness, the point is getting her to be more organized so she can find things when she's looking for it, at the moment she can't find her wallet. Because she can't find things, it takes her longer to get ready in the mornings. Having some order amongst the chaos is very well needed.


When I die I will be happy to have such wonderful children. They are already as out of the box as they can be. I allow them to have as much creative freedom as possible. They paint, color, have many varied interests and are as well-rounded as can be. They are allowed to explore and be themselves. However, I'm the parent and I'm here to guide them and that's what I do. I reign them in when it becomes necessary.



i know some very wealthy (100's of millions) people who are both messy yet brilliant, engaging and happy people.


I'm quite aware of people of this persuasion too. There are thoes who do manage to get ahead, rise up and learn from the mess they create, well they can consider themselves lucky. The ones who can't, who have emotional problems so severe that they can't deal with their lives, well, that's another story, not everyone can be so lucky.

Whats more important?Dirt and filth requires a kick in the pants but disorder and non conformity requires quiet encouragement and celebration.


ON this we agree, dirt and filth requires action; disorder and non conformity will require a lot of guidance otherwise they might be looking at six years somewhere other than home.
on Sep 25, 2006
Your daughter's bedroom sounds like mine used to be. The way you described her room was the same way my parents described my room. I wonder if it's because we are both the oldest.

My parents tried everything with me. Nothing worked. It wasn't teen angst or anything like that it was just who I was. Believe it or not, I knew where everything was, it was like organized chaos.

Maybe you should look at it from a different view. Having read a lot of your articles I think you are a good parent who's daughter is a reflection of you. I remember my mother telling me I was a good son, a good student, a good young man and a good brother and that my only real bad quality was that I had the messiest bedroom ever. I told her, "Most mothers would take that. If a dirty room is the worst thing, shouldn't you consider yourself lucky?"

If it sounds like I'm taking your daughter's side well it's because maybe I am.

But to get back on your good side, Donna I will say taking away the computer was a good idea.
on Sep 25, 2006
Your daughter's bedroom sounds like mine used to be. The way you described her room was the same way my parents described my room. I wonder if it's because we are both the oldest.


Haha, that's an interesting point.


knew where everything was, it was like organized chaos.


Now this I understand. She doesn't know where anything is. She's always asking me if I know. Which is amazing. My usual response is no, perhaps you can clear your floor and maybe you might find it.

Maybe you should look at it from a different view. Having read a lot of your articles I think you are a good parent who's daughter is a reflection of you. I remember my mother telling me I was a good son, a good student, a good young man and a good brother and that my only real bad quality was that I had the messiest bedroom ever. I told her, "Most mothers would take that. If a dirty room is the worst thing, shouldn't you consider yourself lucky?"


Oh I do realise that Chris, very much. She's a good girl, very creative and very bright. I allow her freedom to explore and be who she is. It's not about that at all. I just worry she will carry this type of behaviour into her adult life and that will be baggage she doesn't need. It slows her creativity and we have had a conversation over this and she admitted this very thing. So, it's not really getting on her case, it's just trying to help her focus.


If it sounds like I'm taking your daughter's side well it's because maybe I am.


Not at all. I appreciate your opinion and ScoffPiggy's too, although I might have chomped at the bit a little with him. But I think I was very mild with him so I think we're OK, right SoftPiggy? [that's if he takes another look at my response anyway]



But to get back on your good side, Donna I will say taking away the computer was a good idea.


Thanks, you're still in good standing, not to worry!! I have allowed her to use the computer with me typing in the password and she's not completed the room clean up yet. So she's not entirely cut off from it's use. It's just now I have more control over how often she uses it which does send the clear message that mom means business!!
They both, my oldest girl and my son have a computer of their own in their rooms. My computer in the living room has the Internet, it's the only one with the Internet and that's the way I've arranged it so that I can monitor them if they go to chat rooms etc. They don't go to chat rooms but I want to be able to safeguard that.
on Sep 26, 2006
Boy did this bring back memories!! I didn't have girls but I had one messy boy. The other two were fairly neat and clean but my middle child.....OMG.

Whenever they wanted to watch TV, go to a neighbor's house or do something the first thing out of my mouth was...."Is your room clean?" They'd go back to their rooms tidy it up and were then able to do what they requested. This is when they were small. My thought process was to get them in the habit. It worked for two but not for the middle one. But a house rule was that the bed was to be made every day before school. Two did a great job, the third...well let's just say, he did a cover up job. At least he attempted.

He was a complete slob. So we'd from time to time go in with a garbarge bag and pick up all his stuff regardless of what it was. This was my husband's job. He really got into this. Favorite toy, favorite shirt, books, game boys etc all went into the garbage bag. He would get it later maybe, if he was lucky and for a while his room looked pretty good.

I remember finding "green" sandwiches in his drawers and under his bed trying to hide the fact he didn't eat his lunch at school. They were hidden away for weeks by the time I'd stumble across them. For the life of me, I never could figure out why he didn't just throw it away at school. He's very smart, probably my smartest child but instead hid his lunch somewhere in his room. Nasty.

What kills me is to see them go off on their own and be neatniks!!! I've seen this happen not only with my own but with other kids as well.

It's too bad the pharmacy doesn't have a vitamin pill we could give them for extra stamina to clean their rooms or maybe some stuff we could just spray on their cereal....LOL.




on Sep 26, 2006
...."Is your room clean?" They'd go back to their rooms tidy it up and were then able to do what they requested.


Ha, that's always my question too and they do that all the time! !



he did a cover up job. At least he attempted.


Sounds like my son!! Even my daughter does that sometimes. I usually don't bother them on this cause I know they have to sleep in it!!

What kills me is to see them go off on their own and be neatniks!!!


Gosh, I hope so! At least it would mean all my 'work' with them wasn't in vain!


It's too bad the pharmacy doesn't have a vitamin pill we could give them for extra stamina to clean their rooms or maybe some stuff we could just spray on their cereal.....


Haha...
on Oct 02, 2006
OK, I know I'm catching this late, but it definitely caught my eye. Has she tackled her room since you last posted?

She sounds like a busy, happy teen. Does she not spend much time at home? Maybe she views her room as an occasional pit stop in her busy life, and gives no thought whatsoever to keeping that pit stop organized.

Soon enough she'll be out on her own, responsible for the upkeep of her own place...and if she doesn't develop some sense of domicile organization now, then her entire home just may be unliveable some day. But no one can live like that permanently unless they've got a mental illness or something (I knew a lady like that once), but you've clearly ruled that out.

It sounds like this is something she'll likely be learning the hard way when she's out on her own, when she's got no one to remind her to clean, or to do it for her. She'll realize soon enough that a human being simply can't function in a messy environment (well I suppose some people can...they're the creative or intellectual, but forgetful types). If she's like the majority of people, she'll simply have to learn to buckle down and get organized, even if it means taking the time to do it will mean putting the rest of her exciting life on hold for a minute.

But I hope for all your sakes that she comes to this realization while she's still under your roof. So at least you can witness the great achievement!

Good luck   
on Oct 06, 2006

OK, I know I'm catching this late, but it definitely caught my eye. Has she tackled her room since you last posted?


Oh she has begun to finally! I can see her floor. she's done her laundry. It's not completed but she's working on it and that's all I wanted her to do. Just to begin to tackle it because it wasn't just clothes laying about, it was a dump!


She sounds like a busy, happy teen. Does she not spend much time at home? Maybe she views her room as an occasional pit stop in her busy life, and gives no thought whatsoever to keeping that pit stop organized.


She is and I'm really proud of her. I tell her this often. I don't want her to feel I'm pressuring her too much because it's her senior year in HS and we're looking at colleges and she has projects etc. I offer to help but she won't take it.


Soon enough she'll be out on her own, responsible for the upkeep of her own place...and if she doesn't develop some sense of domicile organization now, then her entire home just may be unliveable some day. But no one can live like that permanently unless they've got a mental illness or something (I knew a lady like that once), but you've clearly ruled that out.



I know, no thank heavens! I make sure to talk to them often, be in their face so to speak while giving them their privacy. I know how difficult it is to be a teen so I make sure they know I'm here for them.


It sounds like this is something she'll likely be learning the hard way when she's out on her own, when she's got no one to remind her to clean, or to do it for her. She'll realize soon enough that a human being simply can't function in a messy environment (well I suppose some people can...they're the creative or intellectual, but forgetful types). If she's like the majority of people, she'll simply have to learn to buckle down and get organized, even if it means taking the time to do it will mean putting the rest of her exciting life on hold for a minute.

But I hope for all your sakes that she comes to this realization while she's still under your roof. So at least you can witness the great achievement!


I hope so too Angela. She said she will be neater when she's on her own. But I tell her I don't know about that if she can't keep one room clean, what about an entire apt on her own? I have faith in her. I tell her to just not let it get so out of control. Now I wish I had taken a snapshot to let you all see. Man, it was a sight!


She's working on it diligently, in her own manner and time because she wants to go to Holloween Horror night at Universal and I won't let her unless her room is clean.

Thanks for the good wishes Angela! Sorry I did't see this earlier than this!