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Exactly what some people wanted
Published on May 14, 2007 By foreverserenity In Current Events
I've heard several stories, of people being sought by the government, at work, their homes, wherever they were supposed to be, arrested and unceremoniously booted out of the United States back to the countries of their birth. Even those people who have been here for more than ten years, with no criminal records, living an honest life, most times they are married to US citizens and awaiting their turn to be accepted legally into the country.

When I heard some of these stories, my thought was that someone with a grudge who knew about this person's status, must have told on him/her. Maybe once upon a time perhaps, but not now. Now the government have created a separate department which is different from the Immigration and Naturalization Services department, but they are a part of Homeland Security, whose specific and only job is to locate those people who are here illegally, detain them, then deport them!

These people get no chance to call home, to say goodbye or to even gather clothing. They get no fair trial or hearings, no time to tell why they are here, they are placed on a plane never to be seen again!


That special Homeland Security department is now averaging over 19000 such captures per month, country-wide! Once upon a time, they would be focused on illegal immigrants who were criminals and involved in criminal activities, now its the regular Joe or Jill who wants to be here with their families and live a clean life. The only difference is the length of time it takes for them to be processed. Sometimes after exhausting their petition to stay, if they are denied, they can expect to be picked up immediately and deported.

The sad thing about this is that families are being broken up, divided. Most times because it's the dad who is the main income earner, this puts the families at risk. Another mouth or two to join the legions on the government's tab, eventually.

Most times, these illegals are people who came here legally, but their Visas run out or their petitions are denied and they move and forget that they do need to take care of their status here. I realise that the illegal immigrants in this country are a problem, some of them because of our country's security. But for those people who did come in legally and are living an honest life and they have families - spouses and/or children, they should at least be given a chance to see their families again. Even when the paperwork does finally get approved for the deported family member, because they were deported, they cannot enter the United States again for ten, sometimes twenty years!




Article read in the Orlando Sentinel "Crackdown Divides Family" written by Victor Mamuel Ramos.

Comments
on May 14, 2007
Donna honey pie, lets get this right, anyone that over stays their visa or enters the country sneaking across the borders, IS A CRIMINAL. PERIOD.
on May 14, 2007
Sorry, but I don't sympathize with them at all. Whether they are leading "honest" lives or not is irrelevant. The fact that they are living here illegally makes them a criminal by definition. If they want to live here they need to come into the country the right way and respect the laws governing immigration including visa time limits.

I have nothing at all against immigrants, but the illegals situation needs to be dealt with and that includes those who over stay their visa.

And under immigration law they have no rights at all for any sort of a trial.
on May 14, 2007
I think it is sad too. I read one story about a girl who was brought here by her parents when she was 8 years old. She obviously did not make a choice to come to this country. Her younger brothers and sisters who were born here are citizens. She was deported to Mexico even though she has lived here for over ten years, works, pays taxes and KNOWS NOONE in Mexico. Many of these people have no home or family to go home to if they are deported to their country of origin. Their homes and families are here.

Our country needs to reevaluate our policy and give these people a path to citizenship. They are already living and working here. They are adding millions to our economy. Why else would everyone want employees who speak Spanish? They want their money. When they are customers or workers, they don't care what their status is.

Also there are many U.S. employers who actively recruit illegals to bring more family from Mexico to work for them.
on May 14, 2007
Elie:
Donna honey pie, lets get this right, anyone that over stays their visa or enters the country sneaking across the borders, IS A CRIMINAL. PERIOD.



M:
The fact that they are living here illegally makes them a criminal by definition. If they want to live here they need to come into the country the right way and respect the laws governing immigration including visa time limits.




I understand that when they overstay their Visas, they are here illegally. Some people do it because they know they are filing paperwork, unfortunately almost always the paperwork doesn't get processed in time, or properly and that just makes the situation worse for the individual. As an immigrant myself, and knowing many immigrant who have gone through this experience, I understand and sympathize with those who go through this. It is torture, mentally, for the families who have to go through this.







read one story about a girl who was brought here by her parents when she was 8 years old. She obviously did not make a choice to come to this country. Her younger brothers and sisters who were born here are citizens. She was deported to Mexico even though she has lived here for over ten years, works, pays taxes and KNOWS NOONE in Mexico. Many of these people have no home or family to go home to if they are deported to their country of origin. Their homes and families are here.


Sad and cases like this I"ve heard of so many times.


Our country needs to reevaluate our policy and give these people a path to citizenship. They are already living and working here. They are adding millions to our economy.


I do agree with this! I realise that the illegal immigrants coming over the border is a problem, and those are issues and situations that needs to be dealt with because those circumstances does make it bad for other immigrants who are coming in and would like to make a better life for themselves. I do agree that the policies need to be changed and their should be something done for people who are already here, living their lives and contributing to this country. Not all immigrants are criminals, and most of them who have stayed beyond their Visas, have contributed to their local economies and continue to do so once they are legalized.

An example needs to be made of those who are criminals, committing crimes and involved in activities that are unlawful, I support this wholeheartedly. However, someone who is trying to provide for their family and making a contribution to his/her state, should not be treated in such a manner.
on May 14, 2007

How getting caught would affect the family used to be a reason to not break the law.  Not it seems to be a reason to not punish lawbreakers.   Do families whose breadwinner gets convicted of theft suffer any less because of the incarceration?

I agree that the immigration laws are enforced in a pretty pathetic way.  Violent criminals are given break after break, while business owners and working parents are arrested and sent packing.  We should start by cleaning out the trash amongst the illegal aliens.

The problem is, tear jerking, heart wrenching accounts such as these pull at our heart strings and convince the powers that be to just let it go.  There is a huge problem in this country and it isn't just the scummy illegal aliens that are bringing it on.  Meanwhile the problem only gets bigger because the way the powers that be choose to enforce the laws is often more of a problem than the illegal alien problem itself.

on May 15, 2007
Meanwhile the problem only gets bigger because the way the powers that be choose to enforce the laws is often more of a problem than the illegal alien problem itself.


Yes Ted, I agree that the problem with the way the law is enforced is a major problem! They were getting rid of the criminal factions who are illegal. Somehow they seem to be focusing more on regular people because they know where those people are.
on May 15, 2007

Even those people who have been here for more than ten years, with no criminal records, living an honest life,

The irony of the situation is that some of the "most honest" citizens are ciminals.  After all, if you are on the run from the law, the last thing you want to do is attract the attention of the law.  That is why you regulary hear of criminals who escaped 20+ years ago finally being caught.  And more often than not, it is not because they broke a law (or perhaps got a speeding ticket).

As for the illegal Aliens, the reason they do not ahve a criminal record is that they have not been caught.  But that does not make them law abiding either.

on May 15, 2007
They already had a path to citizenship--enter legally, file your paperwork, pay your fees and wait....


Yes, and most times the waiting is excessive and after waiting and renewing their Visas, and trying every avenue to get their paperwork processed and still have to continue waiting, they don't get processed in time, have exhausted their petition-period in that they cannot stay any longer, and some instead of going home, decide to wait it out, and that's when it get's problematic and if caught they do get deported. These are the people who did come in legally but get caught in the quagmire or loop hole of waiting.


After all, if you are on the run from the law


For many of them, it's not that they are 'on the run' they are waiting to be processed. Most times the process takes a length of time that no one expects it to and so they usually end up over staying. They think nothing of it because in their minds they are not criminals.




on May 15, 2007
have a bone to pick here, Donna. In the first place, you didn't actually link the article and I had to go searching for it. For anyone else who would like to check the facts instead of reading a sob story, here is the article FS refers to.


Sorry, at the time of posting I had just read the actual news paper and left to go to my daughter's orientation for her summer school, so didn't have time to link it. that's why I posted the title and the name of the writer. (I know I spelt his middle name wrong, typo!)



These people are NOT being 'picked up for no reason' and they are NOT being deported because INS didn't do their paperwork on time. They are being deported because THEY either didn't show up for their hearings, or their petitions were denied, or they moved and 'forgot' to forward their new address to Homeland Security.


Yes, I mentioned that some of them have moved, and some keep trying to get their petitions renewed. Most times these people stay with the fervent hope that they will be given the chance to be heard and to stay with their families. And they are being picked up, there's no denial on that factor!


"The agency, Gonzalez added, is only "carrying out final orders . . . issued by impartial immigration judges," after they have exhausted opportunities for a fair hearing. "It is unfortunate that parents place their U.S.-born children in these difficult situations by breaking U.S. immigration laws."Advocates and attorneys say all it takes to get on the removal list is for an immigrant to miss a court appointment or fail to find out that an asylum petition has been denied -- sometimes because they have moved and missed correspondence."


My bad on not seeing that and it wasn't left out intentionally. I was in a hurry when I posted, my fault. However, as I said, I left the details for the article for perusal. Thanks for finding that and pointing it out.

While I realise that some individuals are to be blamed for slacking off on their own paper work too, that's their fault and not the only problems they face. There are those who are unable to be processed because of the reasons I've stated in my article and responses, which are not misleading at all. They have exhausted the petition route and do decide to stay, illegally, yes, with the (misguided) hope that they will either slip through the cracks or eventually get to prove their case again and then be able to stay with their families. I guess the families should decide if they want to stay or go with daddy or mommy, that might make it easier for them. Either way, they lose.

And I am aware that you do have to stay on top of your own paperwork. My brother almost got lost in the shuffle, it took him six years (probably more too) to get processed, and he was darn lucky he finally did. Six years and lots of dollars! So either way, people in his position do contribute to the economy cause they do earn money from these process!
on May 15, 2007
"Most times, these illegals are people who came here legally, but their Visas run out or their petitions are denied and they move and forget that they do need to take care of their status here."


And I did mention this in my last paragraph as well, I just didn't expand on it as I usually would do because of my rush.
on May 16, 2007
'you pays your money and you takes your chances.' It was a risk EVERY immigrant (legal or not) freely chooses to take, no one has forced them to come here


True and agreed!


What's NOT fair is crying 'unfair!' when things don't work out the way you hoped they would.


The only time it's unfair is when a father who a family depends on is unceremoniously dumped! I know, I've said it before but this part is the reality that faces these families.


having children does not magically excuse their parents from bearing the responsibility for their (criminal) actions


It's not looked on as a criminal action by these people because they do pay their taxes and they do contribute to their communities most of the times. Now they are referred to as such by the government and agencies because of the situation since terrorism has become such a concern on our shores.




When a parent makes these choices, takes these risks, they need to be cognizent of the fact that their children might be adversely affected if and when they are caught.


This is now a big reality for them, yes. Do the people see this? Once upon a time, no, and it was allowed and OK because the agencies didn't put a stop to it previously, however now, they are enforcing the laws. But now the people have seen that their children won't save them now.


This story (and your emotional response to it) is a classic example of how people's heartstrings are tugged, how their feelings can be manipulated...with very little basis in fact


It's hard not to be moved by it. Especially since it hits so close to home, knowing friends and relatives who have been there before.



Or do you suggest we just put these cases on the back burner in case they ever do show up? What do you suggest be done?


No, I wouldn't wish for that to happen to those waiting, seemingly in vain. As I said, it took six or more years for my brother's papers to be processed. He had to keep on top of it because the person assigned to his papers, left the job, he didn't know this, wasn't notified, and no one else took over his petition. So there it sat for a long time. Even when he went there, got the ball rolling again, it sat and sat because there were not enough staff members to handle the influx of petitons. It took his going to his counsel representative for his district to step in and get the ball rolling on his behalf. He was very lucky!

So quite obviously we agree that each individual had better care enough and better stay on top of their own petitions!

As for what I would suggest:

That more staff are hired so that petitions can be processed timely.
That they develop a better system to streamline the application process.
They need to follow up on the cases individual staff members are working on. And if someone is gone or moved from one agency to another, make sure that person's workload is taken care of, not left dangling.

Those are what I would suggest off the top of my head. But those suggestions are what I know of from my own and friend's experiences from so long ago, and things may hopefully be better these days. Different perhaps, better, probably not because of the backlog that is still there after all these years!
on May 16, 2007
Still, you haven't answered my question. What do you suggest the courts and hearing officers DO when the petitioner can no longer be reached and does not show up for their hearing? Are we to pay for private investigators to locate these seemingly abandoned petitions? Are we to just set them aside, hoping that someday, this now unlawful resident will step forward?


Or, are they to continue as they have been, assuming that if someone severs contact with their agency they have either left the country, changed their mind, been incarcerated, died, or are otherwise no longer interested in pursuing their petition and rule against them by default, (as happens in any civil court, if you don't show up you lose automatically) and place their name on the 'removables' list?


My bad, I forgot that part....

I would choose the second part, which sounds more 'humane' on the part of the people in charge! However there should be something else included that when these people are found, by whatever means, not sending someone out to find them which would be too expensive, but rather as they do find them now, when the apply for drivers license or get a ticket, that they are given the chance to say goodbye, take their belongings with them, and sent back to their birth country. IF it's done that way, I see nothing wrong with it. It's the grab and dump (deport) which makes it so inhumane!
on May 18, 2007
We deport them all the time and then their back within two weeks. It all seems rather pointless.
on May 18, 2007
Other than that, we really owe them nothing but a change of clothes, a toothbrush, and ride outta here.


It's not about a toothbrush and clothing, it's about letting the families know where they are and giving them a chance to say goodbye. Even if they don't want to take them home, it's letting their wives and kids know, "hey we've got your man and he isn't coming back!" That's it!


As for the criminals, it's good they are being rounded up as it should be since they are menaces to our society!


There's no easy solution to what is going on. Maybe America should never have opened it's door to immigrants, then there wouldn't be any fighting about it! But I'm just being harsh in saying that! The day that there's a solution to all the mayhem, the day our country will be better off!




We deport them all the time and then their back within two weeks. It all seems rather pointless


It seems that way Joe.
on May 19, 2007
If they did things the right and proper way, they would not be deported.

You move to another country you must be bound by its laws and live by them, simple. The people brought it upon themselves.