Bingo!!!!!!!!!

Rainbow is made straight so they changed it to their own. Has anyone ever seen a straight rainbow in the sky?



It certainly has 0 influence whether my wife and I have a good relationship. How about you FS?

None on mine either. 

Hey there FS great article.

I've got to put my 2 cents worth in being gay and all.

Id like to bring up some points.

1. For people who still think homosexuality is a sin. Then please read the bible and tell me i'snt it also a sin to wear two kinds of cloths, eat anything with blood, oysters, having different shaped beards, or eating two different kinds of grains from the same field? Just read leviticusWWW Link

2.Just as well that Moses was on acidWWW Link when he was given the ten commandments.

3. As a gay man, I can tell you that the majority of my homosexual encounters has been with guys who consider themselves to be straight. That's right ladies, where is your man going when he isn't with you?WWW Link

4. For people who still think that homosexuality is unnatural. There are well documented cases of homosexality in nature, meaning other than humans. This articleWWW Link explains this in great detail.

5. The majority of gay couples who are at the point of wanting to commit to themselves are doing just that. They are in committed monogamous relationships. What's the current divorce rate in America?WWW Link 50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce, according to Jennifer Baker of the Forest Institute of Professional Psychology in Springfield, Missouri.”Shouldn't people be addressing this? I think personally that gay couples who are fighting for the right to marry would stick it out longer than most straight couples, who could be said to be taking this institution for granted.

6. I'd also like to point out and remind people that HIV is not a gay diseaseWWW Link

I could go on, but I'd like people to think about this a little more.

yes, but you don't love your neighbor by helping them in their sin AD. What kind of love teaches it's ok to sin against God? You can still show love to someone by not accepting sinful behavior. It's not mutually exclusive. And what diff does it make if the rainbow is straight or curved? It's still a rainbow that some people feel can't be used anymore because there's a strong connection with the homosexual movement.



when I was a kid I was an avid reader. I read everything I could get my hands on. Many of the books (check yourself) of the 50's, and 60's anyhow used the word "gay" alot and it did not mean what it means today. Gay was such a common word for happy that children would be named Gay way back. Can you see that now?

My uncle was a homosexual. He died in the 80's. Not once did he ever call himself gay...because it wasn't common to do so. He, as well as others, called himself a homo or a homosexual.

Look, I'm not out to bash homosexuals or tell them what to do in their own homes. I could be very friendly with any homosexual and even invite him/her to dinner. I just don't want to legislate and force others to accept what has always been unacceptable...and for good reason. I really don't like what's going on in the public square regarding this issue including the indoctrination of our children that is acceptable behavior.



We've already dealt with this many times here on JU....why go to the Old Law? There were diff laws for diff reasons but this one is repeated in the NT as well. Why not check out the NT because you'd see the same admonition there as well? Having sex with the same sex is an abomination and is strictly forbidden by God both in the OT and the NT.



Homosexuality is a gay disease in that is where it started. Yes, many outside of the homosexuals contracted this later but it's roots and most of the cases are still by large in the homosexual community.

Can you point out to me where Jesus, as the Son of God says anywhere in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin?



That just does not make sense.



Does this mean the 10 commandments are the old law and should be disregarded? You can't pick and choose what you want to believe if your a follower of the Bible. Where does it say that we no longer need to follow the old law and start following any new one, I dont think God just changes his mind? In fact Jesus did say :

"Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:17-20)

Although there are over 100 versions of the bible, maybe you can just pick and choose which one suits you..WWW Link

What as a gay man interests me is why does it bother the christians so much when what I do in my own home and the way I live my life doesn't impact on the way they live theirs. If they say that Im going to go to hell, well why should they care? Do they want me in so called heaven with them? Or is it more of a fact that they see themselves as wanting to save my soul from damnation? Shouldnt they be doing as Jesus says and :

"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." Matthew 7

I also brought up other points in my last reply. These should be thought about.

Aids did NOT have it's 'roots' in the gay community.  If you do a slight bit of research, you will see how wrong this impression is and just how ignorant you sound repeating it.  Here is one link to start with...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_origin

That is just like saying that the bird flu is prevalent in Asia so it's God killing the Asians, or Foot and Mouth is prevalent in Pigs in England so it is God killing the Pigs and Sheep in England, or Ebola is prevalent in Africa so it is God killing off the Africans. If you believe that biological viruses distinguish between sex, race or religion then you still believe that the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth. That is total ignorance.

 

but isn't that what you're doing? I go by the whole counsel of God. You want to know what Jesus did say about the law? Really do you?

"For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John." Matt ll:13

How about John the Baptist?

"For the law was given by Moses but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." John
1:17

So the old law is not applicable and the old diet and customs are not and have never been given to the church. Paul speaks alot about this especially thru the books of Romans and Galatians.



there is ONLY ONE true version of the bible and that is the original language it was written in. The original Gk and Hebrew are quite accurate and many of our later translations are very reliable. Yes, there are some that tinker with the words and I wouldn't give the light of day, but there are many over the years that have stayed true to the original languages.

There are always bound to be imitations out there confusing the public. No matter what it is.



and did you read what I said:



and I would venture to guess that most genuine Christians feel much the same way I do. It might be hard to understand but our disagreement or admonition or what have you is motivated by love not hate. We love you too much to leave you in your sin of homosexuality and it would be no different for us if we were talking about drinking or gambling.

I never said I am helping them in their sin? They are doing it anyway because they do NOT adhere to the same book of morals that you or I live by. You are imposing your will and morals upon someone else that doesn't adhere to or rejects the book of morals you live by. The minute I begin to impose my belief, morals or will upon someone I have committed intolerance by respecting them as an adult peer.



The Bible says in several places that those who do not make a covenant (relationship) that they are to be outside the camp. It doesn't say to force them to adhere to the Bible's list of morals. We recently was talking about 1 Cor 5 where there was sexual immorality (according to Biblical standards) and Paul didn't say to force them to adhere but basically said do not associate yourself with them.



If you cannot accept THEIR sinful behavior how do you then accept your own?

I understand what you're saying AD but coming from a parental POV and just as a citizen POV we are to do what we can do to teach our children right and live right. While you're right about them not adhering to our book of morals, I understand. But I'm going from the other direction and saying we are not to sit idly by and let our children be taught this is ok when God says quite clearly it's not.

But I do think as our country gets further and further away from his ways then we are not to go with it and as the gap widens we need to make sure we are on the right side of the gap. As this happens it's going to drive a deeper wedge between the two sides.

listen, I'm not sure how old you are but I was an adult in the 80's when this first hit the news. It certainly was labeled a gay disease then. In fact for every link you give me I can give you just as many. Here's one without even hardly checking:

The origin of AIDS and HIV has puzzled scientists ever since the illness first came to light in the early 1980s. For over twenty years it has been the subject of fierce debate and the cause of countless arguments, with everything from a promiscuous flight attendant to a suspect vaccine programme being blamed. So what is the truth? Just where did AIDS come from?

The first recognised cases of AIDS occurred in the USA in the early 1980s (more about this period can be found on our history page). A number of gay men in New York and California suddenly began to develop rare opportunistic infections and cancers that seemed stubbornly resistant to any treatment. At this time, AIDS did not yet have a name, but it quickly became obvious that all the men were suffering from a common syndrome.

The discovery of HIV, the Human Immunodeficiency Virus, was made soon after. While some were initially resistant to acknowledge the connection (and indeed some remain so today), there is now clear evidence to prove that HIV causes AIDS. So, in order to find the source of AIDS, it is necessary to look for the origin of HIV, and find out How, When and Where HIV first began to cause disease in humans.

and more:

Both national and international travel undoubtedly had a major role in the initial spread of HIV. In the US, international travel by young men making the most of the gay sexual revolution of the late 70s and early 80s would certainly have played a large part in taking the virus worldwide. In Africa, the virus would probably have been spread along truck routes and between towns and cities within the continent itself. However, it is quite conceivable that some of the early outbreaks in African nations were not started by Africans infected with the 'original' virus at all, but by people visiting from overseas where the epidemic had been growing too. The process of transmission in a global pandemic is simply too complex to blame on any one group or individual.

http://www.avert.org/origins.htm

I'm not sure how much I can chat with you.....but I'll try to get back...but I'm leaving for Chicago tomorrow and I've got to go pack...as much as I'd love to say more on this subject.

Hope you all have a great long weekend.

Right, according to your moral and religious beliefs and values. That's great I support you to teach your child accordingly (as you have since they are grown). It doesn't mean that you have a right to teach my child that they have to live by the same as yours (without my consent).



You don't want it done to your children but some how feel it is okay to impose your beliefs on others (without proper consent)?



Yes, make sure you are on the right side of the gap according to your morals and beliefs.

Do you even realise how patronising this statement is? 

Listen, first of all, I would prefer it if you didn't  address me like I'm a child.  Again, I don't understand why you have to be so patronising.

I was also an adult in the 80s.  Australia was one of the first nations to not only recognise the seriousness of AIDS but to actually do something about it.  Australia's campaign to educate everyone about AIDS was well known and received publicity right around the world.  One of the big points was to make sure we all knew AIDS was not restricted to the gay community, even though it seemed as though, at the time, it was this community affected the most by it.

'Then' being the operative word.  Most of us since 'then' have learnt this is not true.  The reality is the root cause of the spread of AIDS is still not known and this includes the belief it had its origins in the gay community.

Hi Phoenix! Nice to see you and thanks for your two cents!

 

This is good!  Why else would they want to marry if not to be faithful to each other!

 

 

The courts became involved because they had no choice but to be involved.  These people were banned from marrying each other, even when they wanted to have their commitment ceremony away from the church.  It was AGAINST the LAWs of practically all cities for them to do that!  They were denied their rights to choose freely, can you blame them for demancing that the ban be lifted?  How would you like it if your right to whorship was banned, or to run in races or do what you take so much pride in doing?  Basically the same thing!  The sexuality of Gays is what is used against them. 

 

Great points! 

 

Because they are not taught about the differences in people, they learn nothing, and they grow with the same fears and ignorance as is prevalent in today's society.  And they also learn to experiment and explore because that is the only way they are going to find out for themselves, instead of from mom  and/or dad at home, with tolerance to give their views, answer the questions and say why you do or do not agree with it.   Although, I must say that many of the younger generation are a lot smarter than their parent's generation were!

 

Which is also what is stated from the statement KFC posted!