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For some people, marriage between two people of the same sex insults their sensibilities. (and that is putting it mildly!)  It is religiously wrong, because they have some document that proves that it is wrong.  It trumps their sense of right and wrong.    All the implications that can be thought of for why this should not be, they will find it!

 

There are so many boxes that have been created in our lives.  Everything we do and all that we represent fits in those boxes.  You can't be a cirle and fit in a square box, that doesn't work.  You're going against the grain, against all that is natural, known and dare I say holy?  In essense  homosexuals do not fit the roles or the boxes that we have created in this life!  Not in our lifetime, not in our backyards!

 

Am I being immoral because I have no objections to people of the same sex marrying each other?  Some people do think that, I have no doubt about that.   Same sex marriage is not an abomination of marriage in general, or against God as some like to quote.  Same sex marriage does not make my own heterosexual marriage unimportant or less than what it is.  What matters fundamentally is the right of each individual to choose the path that is their God-given right to do.

 

Although the legal papers now says that these people have the right to marry whomever they choose, they still do not have the legal rights, all the rights that a man and a woman in a marriage do.  They won't be able to file taxes together, they won't be able to get all the benefits that a man and a woman in a marriage can from the government, if they need it, because although the law says they are allowed to marry, they are still not equal or legal in every aspects of their lives.

 

The article I have linked above, written by John Cloud, defines and clarify some of the things  the California rulings does or does not do  with the confusion to many about Gay marriage.

 

Marriage between homosexuals doesn't take away our rights as heterosexual individuals just because two men or two women seek to marry each other, but those who object gladly seek to take away what is a fundamental right of each person, their freedom!

 

 

 


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on May 23, 2008
3 or 4 Massachusetts Supreme Court judges over stepped their bounds and forced homosexual "marriage" to be legislated. In spite of public opposition, Mitt Romney and the state legislatures caved in to them.

What's happening now in Massachusetts schools that is being paid for by those taxpayers who were against it in the first place?

This is a copy and paste of a news report from Lifesite news.

The now annual Massachusetts Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Pride Youth Parade was highlighted this year by fully sanctioned participation by a variety of school groups. Children encouraged to display homosexual acts on camera to be posted to the group's website, a gay prom at Boston City Hall and the distribution a variety of information pamphlets homosexualizing Christianity.

Titles of the various pamphlets included the following:

"Reading the Bible with New Eyes" which claims that Jesus had a homosexual affair with Lazarus and that Mary was a lesbian among other grotesque distortions; "Queer Spirituality" which claims that homosexuality can be a means of opening oneself to God; "History of Saints Servius and Bacchus" which claims that the two saints were involved in a homosexual relationship. Several of these pamphlets were handed out by a man dressed as a Catholic priest.

At one point during the event, a guest speaker incited the crowd to violently harass photographers from "Mass Resistance", the pro-family action group. The photographers were surrounded, barred from taking pictures and then assaulted as a Boston police officer in uniform stood by and watched.

The event was fully sanctioned and funded by the State of Massachusetts through the Commission on Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Youth. Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick provided an official proclamation endorsing the event.

Some of the pictures in which children were encouraged to engage in homosexual acts in 2007 can be found on the "Mass Resistance" website, http://www.massresistance.org/docs/events07/youthpride07/common.html . (Warning: disturbing content).


The bottom line is that no arms of the government should encourage homosexuality by re-defining traditional marriage into something fake.
on May 23, 2008
When you think about it all laws declare directly or by implication that one behavior is right another is wrong.


Laws are simply a reflection of the society or community in which they have deemed to be 'right' or 'wrong.'

The society in San Francisco has changed and now so are the laws.

One of the most famous examples of legislating morality came in the form of a constitutional amendment that outlawed slavery. Said another way, slavery was declared morally wrong by the 13th amendment. Just laws legislate morality on self-evident moral grounds...such are murder, rape, theft, child abuse, etc. So, to legislate justice is to legislate morality.


Lula, again you are indirectly proving my point. Slavery was an issue of imposing the moral code of others who considered them to be a sub-class of humans. The law banning slavery took of the oppressive nature of slavery.

Murder, rape, theft, etc are all moral codes that restrict others from imposing their will on others. Hopefully, I don't have to actually explain this in grotesque detail.

The issue of Gays isn't imposing anyone like rape, theft, etc do. This is between two consenting adults.

Laws are created to protect others from you and you from others.
on May 23, 2008
Parents teach their children their values. There is no law against that and they do it every day. Well, except for those that leave it up to television and the school system to do it for them that is. Somehow I doubt that you're that sort of parent from what I've read on these forums.


MasonM are you saying that parents should actually be.... Parents?
on May 23, 2008

you're basing it on the assumption that legislation will be enacted to allow that to happen. That's not a certainty and I suspect that the exact opposite may take place.

Don't underestimate the power of lobbyists.  The insurance lobbyist will do anything they can to charge more. 

Parents teach their children their values.

Let me try this a different way, since I think you are not seeing what I am saying:

Marriage is now defined as a union between man and woman.  If that definition changes, I can't tell my daughter that "marriage" is a sacred union between MAN and WOMAN.  At that point, it's not.  It's changed.  "Marriage" becomes a union between two people- any two people.  How can you teach about something that isn't true?  It COULD be a sacred Union between Man and Woman, but by definition, and what she would learn from society, that wouldn't exist. 

on May 23, 2008
BTW Doc, there are so much more 'deviant' than gay people in the throws of sex! Seriously, thee are better arguments than this?


I dont think it is "deviant behavior", and thus the quotes. I was posting some of the common arguements that we hear all to often by some who believe it, and by some who want to basically mirror those who believe that and using the same kind of logic on their side.

Unlike some issues (everyone knows my thoughts on abortion), there is a lot of room for compromise on this issue that when it comes right down to it, will satisfy the vast majority of people (you will never get unanimity).
on May 23, 2008
If that definition changes, I can't tell my daughter that "marriage" is a sacred union between MAN and WOMAN. At that point, it's not. It's changed. "Marriage" becomes a union between two people- any two people.


Well you could. You could tell her that if she marries a woman she will be committing an abomination, that she will be an unnatural plague upon the world and an agent of a wholly secular moral apocalypse, and that if she marries a woman you will disown her and all her generations. You could tell her that marriage is a sacred union between man and wife and that all other forms are banned in this house, missy, and that those who practise them are not welcome.

I imagine that would explain quite clearly to her your belief that gay marriage should not be tolerated. Of course, I'm exaggerating your position here, but you may find it necessary to become increasingly extreme in your views in order to prevent your own from being swayed by changes in the law.

I'm fairly certain she will see that marriage is a sacred thing between man and woman after you explain this, especially if you start telling her young enough and never let up on it.

As long as she doesn't turn out to be a lesbian she probably won't be too messed up, either.
on May 23, 2008
Cacto posts:
You could tell her that marriage is a sacred union between man and wife


This is what I've taught my children...but guess what? The public schools are teaching "value-free" education....that is, under the guise of teaching health, classroom sex instruction indoctrinates pre-kindergarten age on up that homosexuality is OK, even good.

What is the merit of focusing 4 and 5 year olds on the body parts? From textbooks, entitled, "Heather has two mommies" and "Daddy's roommate", first graders are conditioned to affirming homosexuality. Second through 4th graders learn sex terms by looking at pictures of body parts and pronouncing them in low whispers...by the 5th grade, kids are taught more about sex than could be found in smut books a generation ago. They show offensive videos without parental permission.


That's thoroughly confusing to children to have one set of values at home and have those values completely shot out by the schools. Meanwhile 8 year olds can't rattle off their times tables, but in the area of values-free education, they've come to understand that human sexuality has all the moral equivalency of going to the bathroom.
on May 23, 2008
This is what I've taught my children...but guess what? The public schools are teaching "value-free" education....that is, under the guise of teaching health, classroom sex instruction indoctrinates pre-kindergarten age on up that homosexuality is OK, even good.


So do your children not understand your views as a result of that corrupting public education, or do they simply disagree with them based on the evidence of the two main authority figures in their lives (you and the teachers)?

If you want them to only hear your own viewpoints, you're going to have to homeschool and keep them segregated from other influences. Otherwise you're going to have to accept that your children might not believe the things you want them to believe.
on May 23, 2008
So do your children not understand your views as a result of that corrupting public education,


Thankfully, they understand my views but it's been a constant struggle for me with the school.

If you want them to only hear your own viewpoints, you're going to have to homeschool and keep them segregated from other influences.


I agree...and for the last half of my son's senior year, that's exactly what we did...we homeschooled.

on May 23, 2008
Marriage is now defined as a union between man and woman. If that definition changes, I can't tell my daughter that "marriage" is a sacred union between MAN and WOMAN.


Parents teach their values to their children. If that is how you hold marriage to be, that is what you pass on to your children regardless of what laws may be enacted. Are you saying that if such laws are enacted you will no longer view your marriage that way and longer hold it to be sacred to you? If you do, then that is what you teach your children; your values.

on May 24, 2008

Karma,

59% of Men get AIDS by having sex with other Men in the US. 77% of people living with AIDS in the US are Men. 1.1 million people in the US have AIDS. Do the math, it's not pretty.

I don't dispute that AIDS has affected the gay community more so than the wider community.  But that is not the point I was trying to make. 

People don't know where it started, and we may never know

This is the point I was trying to make, that the disease is NOT a 'gay' disease, per se.  The statistics you quote are well and good, but are only American-based statistics.  Have a look at the African stats, for instance, to see what 'not pretty' really means.

on May 24, 2008
and for the last half of my son's senior year, that's exactly what we did...we homeschooled.


What a poor kid . . . stuck trapped in his house with crazy religious zealots all day.
on May 24, 2008

What a poor kid . . . stuck trapped in his house with crazy religious zealots all day.

 

Now, now, SC.  I'm sure he's perfectly well adjusted.

 

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on May 24, 2008
Now, now, SC. I'm sure he's perfectly well adjusted.


Perfectly maladjusted?

Perfectly unadjusted?

Intellectually malnourished?
on May 24, 2008
crazy religious zealots


I'm Catholic, so 1 out of 3 ain't bad.  

We've done our best in taking seriously our parental responsibilities to instruct our children on God's design for sexuality. For everything that comes their way, we've taught them to think, judge and evaluate in order to discern truth, knowing the truth will teach them to function morally.

Our daughter at 21 has just graduated 4 years of college and has thanked us many times for our guidance and holding up a moral standard in her upbringing.

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