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Published on October 24, 2006 By foreverserenity In Blogging
I wanted to address the reaction caused by my writing of the article “An Open Letter to Our Young Ladies”
Link

When I wrote this it wasn’t my intention to have it come off as me being a prude or putting my nose into other people’s business, telling them how to dress. I also had no intention of offending anyone. I didn’t realize I would be perceived of being uppity with my responses/comments or about anything I said on that blog.

I wrote another blog about “Why Women dress like Sluts”, Link because of a radio program I was listening to, the radio DJ discussed the findings of study done about why women do dress the way they do wasn’t very flattering to me as a woman and a mother hearing his comments.

Then he also made the suggestion that some women even if they are ugly and they dress sluttish and after a few drinks they might seem attractive to some men. Well, my reaction in visualizing the scenario he painted was to laugh because it was funny, [and I’m sure that’s the reaction he wanted to get from his listeners] but when I really thought about it, I said to myself, you know that’s really not a nice scenario to be in and that’s not a good picture to paint of any woman, and the danger she could be in because of her actions.

Then someone told me about the reaction of a friend of theirs upon being around young ladies who didn’t really leave much to the imagination, they not only dress with little left to the imagination, but how they carry themselves, exposing areas no one else have no business seeing, they might as well open a club, well, having seen so many myself, I can’t blame him for his thoughts. Although as I commented in the blog I wrote (or was it a response in the blog?) anyway, I commented [not verbatim] that some men will think that way, that’s normal, it’s the actions that others will take and go one step further that would be dangerous.

I know I’m rambling, just bare with me, I had to give those of you who weren’t following my thought process.


Anyway, I wanted to address Jennifer1’s verbal lashing out against me. When she first came to this community, and for those who like to remind most of us who think this way that it’s not because we’re all online and we don’t know each other, blah, blah, yes JoeUser.com is a community. I don’t think I have to go into the whyfores of why that is. So anyway, Jennifer and I had a disagreement on one of her articles regarding race. I won’t go back to link it (sorry) you’ll just either have to go to her blog or search in mine, because after the discussion I tried to have with her, I wrote an article apologizing to everyone, including her for the discontent that happened over this.

I continued to reach out by reading and commenting on her blog, she commented on a few of mine. I am a big girl and know when to try and mend broken fences, I’m not too big to say I’m sorry, I’ll be the first to admit if I’m wrong. Because discussions can get heated, there will be differing opinions and if someone feels quite strongly about something, well, they’re going to make their stance to the end.

I’ve been in heated discussions before, with Little Whip about racial issues, Bakerstreet about women’s right to choose, most recently Xythe and I had differing opinions as well. [Xythe is fairly new to JU] In those discussions and the many I’ve had neither of us ever took it personally, never insulted the other, we each listened to the others opinion, we tried to sway each other on some points, and in all of these discussions, I walked away enlightened on someone else’s views. I don’t consider myself to be a master debater but I will discuss quite opinionatedly a topic that I feel strongly about.

When I wrote this article, Link I wasn’t focused on Jennifer1. Yes she was indirectly one of the people I was thinking about, however, that article wasn’t a flamefest about her. I guess though if the shoe fit….

I can’t understand what it is about me that rile her so? Why would someone be so filled with hatred, and that’s what it appears like to me, and I’ve never had one bad thing to say to her. I’ve told her to calm down, or suggested to re-read something because her tendency is to speak before really reading and ‘taking in’ what the writer is saying before making some comment that just didn’t fit. Her tendency to over-react was also a part of her style and I accepted that.

When I wrote the article about ‘the open letter’ it wasn’t just what she said, it was what she implied as well and I didn’t get upset with her. My comments to her were not ‘uppity’ as she said, I didn’t think they were.

The only things I can think of are these:

1) I’m an easy going person and I get along with everyone on JU
2) I’m chummy with some folks, we can joke with each other and sling mud without getting offended.
3) Maybe I’m just too good to be true, my affable personality is just too nice to be real, really now, is there such a person as I in real life?

Hmmmm, one wonders uh, could it be jealousy then? Could it be jealousy of the relationships that I’ve established and she doesn’t get the same type of responses in her discussions on everyone’s blogs? I don’t know, I’m assuming and I might just be making an ass out of myself!

Now if I were to think this way:

1) She doesn’t like me because I’m Jamaican. Being English, she’s probably had a run in with a few of my ‘kind’ in the UK and so hates all things Jamaican.
2) She doesn’t like me because I’m black. Yes, I played the race card. {how dare me?!) [of course this is absolute rubbish or is it?]
3) Maybe she doesn’t like me because I have too much opinion, I’m a mom, I’m a working mom, I have a sex life with a hubby whose fine.
4) I live in sunny Florida and she’s jealous
5) I’m black and my husband isn’t. Although we’re from the same country, he’s Jamaican too, but the mixing up of the races, she frowns on that?

I have no idea. I’m totally clueless to any of these. These are just some of the thoughts that have rolled off my tongue.

I am however not going to bother thinking about it anymore because it’s not worth the time or energy.

I am sorry for one thing though, that she had to call all of you JUsers names and insulted you the way she did. That’s uncalled for.

So I have an enemy. Hmm, in my lifetime this is the second time this has happened to me. The first time was when I first came to the US and I lived in NY. At my job there was a black American who didn’t like me because of where I was from. She felt I was too not like her in my mannerism, I didn’t sound like her, I didn’t act like her, she couldn’t understand what I was about. It took patience, me just saying hello and goodbye, and basically leaving her alone, and after a couple of months of her being around me to realize I was no danger to her, I wasn’t there to take over her friends, or her job. She grudgingly accepted me into her circle, although her friends already did. There was just no reason to dislike me other than she just did.

So here I am now, in cyber space and I’ve found someone who hates me with a passion. Wow, I must be Ms. Badass to steal a phrase from Loca!

Well, life goes on. I’m glad I got this off my chest because it was bothering me. I can no go to meet my hubby and pick up my daughter without feeling dragged down mentally!


The power of writing, I love you JUsers! Thanks for reading with me.








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on Oct 24, 2006
I couldn't think of an appropriate title without getting flamed again and I didn't want it to seem as if I'm starting a flamefest because I'm not. Plus I'm in a hurry and have got to go meet my hubby! Lata JU!
on Oct 24, 2006

Foreverserenity: 

In our lifetime I guesss there'll always be those that don't like us no matter what we say or do...I have a few of those in mine   maybe quite a few!

You are quite lovable and I hope you don't let this get you too far down.

From my own experience,  I had a moment onetime when someone I like had said something that was innocent, yet the "way" it was said hurt my feelings and I just had to let it go because I like the person too much to let it cause a problem.  Sometimes a person just doesn't "let it go"  and creates a fuss...

I know I have a habit?  I have a few times anyway got defensive and have assumed things that someone else has written...so maybe that's what happened to Jenn?

At any rate,  you're a very likeable person and those of us that have known you a couple of years know you're tops! 

on Oct 24, 2006
I haven't had much time to check out the blogs too much lately.....having a hard enough time keeping up with my own.......

just want to say.......I like you!

Stay strong.



on Oct 24, 2006
Jamaican 'er angry?
on Oct 24, 2006
I'll be back to respond later. My son has to do home work on the Internet. ah much later!
on Oct 24, 2006
Well I like you, Donna! And I put you in the catagory of one of those kinds of people that if you're not liked, then there's just gotta be something wrong WITH THEM. Hang in there, you are cared for here by many.
on Oct 24, 2006
Peace dear lady. I know there is bad blood between the 2 of you, and I like you both. You will always be Serenity.
on Oct 24, 2006
Hang in there!
on Oct 24, 2006

4) I live in sunny Florida and she’s jealous

HAHAHAHAH.  Yup, this is the one.  It HAS to be.

Sometimes when common women meet a real lady, or that lady speaks to them, they see the truth of their profane existence.  They usually react in one of two ways.  They get angry and foul mouthed and more vile, or they strive to become, if even a little bit, as gracious as a lady.

 

 

on Oct 24, 2006
I think a lot of it is the double standard that women live in. On the one hand they want to be sexual beasts that are known for their sexuality and express it in how they dress and how they live. On the other they want to be defined by more than that, and not treated like sexual beasts.

Consider how men are treated when they dress "sexually". They're a joke. When a man wears the equivalent of a super short mini-skirt, women mercilessly deride them. The 70's were littered with men who wore their pants too tight showing what was in them and their shirts unbuttoned down to their waist.

So why the double standard? Why keep insisting that women don't want doors opened for them and yet laud men who still do? I liken the situation with female sexuality to the problem with race, actually. Separate but equal is wrong, but people want to laud the qualities that make them different, and they demand to be seen as equal.

Eventually, maybe it will all wash out when the old stereotypes are forgotten. Maybe not. I think people just have to understand that we define ourselves to others, alongside all their cultural bias and stereotypes whether we like it or not. If we don't want to play to those, we should take those into consideration while defining ourselves, or reject them and not worry about it when people stereotype us.
on Oct 24, 2006
You changed me for the better, and for that, I thank you.


You're welcome Whip! However, also thank you because you didn't have to listen, or discuss or relate to me at all and you took the time to do so. You showed how open you were and for that I thank you.


Jen is just trying to ride the wave of attention right now, not caring whether it's good attention or bad. I'm sorry that you have found yourself a target of her hatefulness


That's not good you know, it's too bad. Thank you though. It's kind of senseless and I have absolutely no hate for her, I really don't. I just didn't want to leave all that she said against me hanging like that because it's really unecessary.

So Jennifer, if you're reading, cause I haven't blacklisted you, I don't appreciate you bad mouthing me like that, but I forgive you and I don't hate you. We'll just walk our separate paths on JU as you wish.


And it's not because it's big of me or I'm being nice, it's just the way I am and when I think of what others are going through in this life, their lives, this is trivial stuff. My daughter said to me this morning that her friends can't and won't ever forget what happened to their friend who was killed at school, they still see traces of blood around, they also won't forgive the boy who killed the other one. I told her no, that's the wrong thing to do, they have to forgive him because carrying around something like that, build up in their hearts is only going to make them worse than the killer was, it will only make them drag around the pain and they need to forgive him. They must never foget their friend who died, but they must learn to forgive. I know she will relay this to her friends.




I'm working on that, hehe, and perhaps I can deflect the majority of it towards myself.I enjoy that sort of thing, yanno.


I know that, you have this boundless energy!! I admire you for that. Conflict is just too overpowering for me, emotionally. I eventually handle it, but only when I must.


Don't sweat the petty stuff, girlfriend, pet the sweaty stuff.Peace.


I won't. Peace!


In our lifetime I guesss there'll always be those that don't like us no matter what we say or do...I have a few of those in mine maybe quite a few!


Yes Trudy, I guess so and I hear you on that one!


You are quite lovable and I hope you don't let this get you too far down.


Thank you and I won't. It was, but not anymore, the magic keyboard did it's work on my mentality! thank you!





I had a moment onetime when someone I like had said something that was innocent, yet the "way" it was said hurt my feelings and I just had to let it go because I like the person too much to let it cause a problem. Sometimes a person just doesn't "let it go" and creates a fuss...


I understand, and words do hurt. I was letting it go. However, there are times when one has to stand up for themself.




I have a few times anyway got defensive and have assumed things that someone else has written.


I have too, when that happens, I do not respond right away, in order to understand, I walk away and think and later I re-read and re-evaluate what is said. You see, sometimes we tend to take things too personally. It's our human trait to do so. Some have tougher exterior (and interiors - emotions) than some and can laugh things off and deflect what is said, however, some people dont' have that kind of ability or is not experienced enough to know not to take it seriously. But I do understand what you're saying though.


Is that what happened to Jenn? I don't think so. I was willing to think so perhaps, but not after all that has been said.



you're a very likeable person and those of us that have known you a couple of years know you're tops!


Thanks Trudy!

just want to say.......I like you! Stay strong.


Thanks KFC!



Jamaican 'er angry?


Funny Cacto! Jamaican me crazy!!


Well I like you, Donna! And I put you in the catagory of one of those kinds of people that if you're not liked, then there's just gotta be something wrong WITH THEM. Hang in there, you are cared for here by many.


Thank you Joe. Nice to see you again!



You will always be Serenity.


I do try Doc!


Reply By: MasonMPosted: Tuesday, October 24, 2006Hang in there!


! M you're so crazy! Thx!
on Oct 24, 2006
You can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think.


That's rich! I can't wait to use that one tomorrow on my husband. I love to see that look of shock on his face!
on Oct 24, 2006
4) I live in sunny Florida and she’s jealousHAHAHAHAH. Yup, this is the one. It HAS to be.


Haha....I can try to bottle the sunshine!!



think a lot of it is the double standard that women live in. On the one hand they want to be sexual beasts that are known for their sexuality and express it in how they dress and how they live. On the other they want to be defined by more than that, and not treated like sexual beasts.


Yes, there's definately a double standard Baker. We women have it rough sometimes, why does it have to be so difficult? I would be sexist if I said, it was a man's world, because in some ways it isn't. We women do get a lot of priveledges. This is a topic that I could go on about

The 70's were littered with men who wore their pants too tight showing what was in them and their shirts unbuttoned down to their waist.


Hey, some still do, come to Florida!!


I think people just have to understand that we define ourselves to others, alongside all their cultural bias and stereotypes whether we like it or not. If we don't want to play to those, we should take those into consideration while defining ourselves, or reject them and not worry about it when people stereotype us.


A great statement, enlightening too for some who didn't look at things this way.


Sometimes when common women meet a real lady, or that lady speaks to them, they see the truth of their profane existence. They usually react in one of two ways. They get angry and foul mouthed and more vile, or they strive to become, if even a little bit, as gracious as a lady.


OOO, I love that!


I like it too! Nice Tonya!


I also like this one: You can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think.


Haha, nice play on words there!
on Oct 24, 2006
What's with the G-strings that their calling thongs? Why wear any undies if you're going to wear those?
Not wearing a bra - they'll pay later when their nickname is saggy Maggie.
I remember when the goal was you wouldn't have to show your "stuff" to get the job.
My Mom said there's nothing like a mystery to get & keep a man's attention.

I say hang in there too! Where does MasonM get those pictures?

on Oct 24, 2006
What's with the G-strings that their calling thongs?


I don't know who came up with that name?! It would be fun to find out though!


My Mom said there's nothing like a mystery to get & keep a man's attention.


So did mine and I tell my oldest the same thing too!



I say hang in there too! Where does MasonM get those pictures?


Thx! I have no idea but we all love them!!
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