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In light of the uproar over Miley Cyrus' "scandalous" photograph ,[https://forums.joeuser.com/310120/page/1/#1719278], so vastly overrated!   I’m all for protecting our children and I am not certainly in favor of them being forced to grow up before their time.  In other words, doing or getting involved in anything that is not for them because they are too young and don’t need to be involved with anything that would be bad for them!

Braeden, aka Sancho Nino made a comment on the blog that I wrote regarding the scandal, it was an interesting and enlightening response which made me go ‘hmmm..”  and gave me more food for thought.

 

Sancho  Responded:

Maybe this is my newly-installed European sensibilities talking, but I don't get what all the fuss is about.

Went to the beach today. Saw hundreds of naked tits. Some of them on girls Miley's age.

And guess what?
BFD.
It's her back; it's not a seductive pose at all; and come on, people.

If folks be getting horny off stuff like this they need help anyway.”

 

 

 

Notice my emphasis on the first thing he said.  “Newly-installed European sensibilities”!  It got me asking myself, “Do we Americans get too hot and bothered too easily?”  “Do we tend to over-think and over-dramatized and tend to get too hot and bothered too quickly over everything, or at least most things?”   “Are we too prudish in our outlook, or maybe we are just too sensitive to our sexuality”!  The word itself seems to get us (speaking generally) all uptight! 

 

Braeden said that he was at the beach and saw hundreds (I know he was probably exaggerating, but it made his point!) of naked tits.   It is such a natural thing Europeans take so naturally, almost as if it’s as natural as breathing!

 

They don’t hide (I’m talking out of my mouth here – tongue in cheek – i.e. I don’t have facts, but merely from what I’ve read and some of the people I know) their bodies as much as we seem to do.  They are not scared of talking openly about sex and nudity the way we seem to be.  They are a pretty open (liberal, inhibited) bunch of people!

 

We tend to be too serious all the time when maybe we should laugh at something or not take it in the manner it seems to present itself, i.e., at face value! 

 

In our lives, so many of us are under strict rules and policies all the time.  So much so that we take these types of rules into our personal lives (unconsciously) and that is how we become so stressed! 

 

I know there are a few of us who do take it easy and not let things bother us.  But there is the other 80% who most times because of religion, turn into faceless people who adhere to only one thing, one way of living, one way of doing everything!  So we end up looking at life through these dark glasses and we don’t see beyond the lines that have been crossed for us.

 

Don't get me wrong, when it comes to our children, we are very protective of them, as we should be, however, there are times when we put our own insecurities on them and which becomes their burden. 

 

 

I know it’s not easy being a parent, more than anything else, I don’t even like to think that I’m a failure as a mom, because there are times I do feel like one.  Especially given the situation with my older daughter, leaving home early, that was a hard pill to swallow.  But as I told my husband recently, she might not have gone on the path we wanted her to go, but she is making her own way, and she is doing alright, she is just doing it on her own terms.  I think that is all our children want from us. As we as adults would want from our own bosses, or friends, or our spouses.  For someone to believe in us, trust us, and let us be to take our own path in life.

 

There will be times when it’s necessary to over re-act, when it is appropriate, like when children are being abused, but there are just some times, as in the case of a simple photograph, when over reaction is too much.

 


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on May 02, 2008
“Do we Americans get too hot and bothered too easily?” “Do we tend to over-think and over-dramatized and tend to get too hot and bothered too quickly over everything, or at least most things?” “Are we too prudish in our outlook, or maybe we are just too sensitive to our sexuality”!


Yes.
on May 02, 2008

Yes.

Good answer!  To the point and all that!lol!

on May 02, 2008

You know, I keep hearing about how much more "enlightened" europe is than us poor rednecks in America, but when I look at the reality, it just doesn't hold up.

Sure, there are nude beaches in Europe, but there are nude beaches here too.  The difference is, we have beaches where you can go if you want to associate with nudists and beaches where you can go if you don't.  In their "enlightned" society, if you don't want to see nude bodies, you have to stay away from the beach.   How is that "enlightened".

I also hear that we're too prudish when it comes to nudity in ads and articles.  I like the fact that I get to decide if I want to buy magazines with nudity in them or not.

in Europe there are no choices, if you don't want to see nudity, well, tough.  Worse yet, if you don't want to see nudity they pompously look down on you like there's something wrong with you.

So, do we get hot and bothered when nudity (or partial nudity) is thrust in our faces... yes.  Why?  Because we expect the freedom to decide for ourselves.

on May 02, 2008

I think we as a society still have an air of Puritan like attitudes. Granted some vary, but over all we suddenly are (as you eloquantly put it) scandalized when something like this happens. Perhaps it is because of religion, perhaps it just is. But, personally, I'm not going to fuss over something like this. Why? Because there are actual underage girls out there that are being sold as sex girls (like in thailand, and ive read about it here too), girls who are taken advantage of sexually, and girls that have had nude pictures taken of them (of which some apparentlly have gotten out). Something like this is trivial compared to stuff like that.


So Miley Cirus took a provocative photo.....and?

 

~Luca

on May 02, 2008

Because we expect the freedom to decide for ourselves.

That we do Ted, we definitely do!  But my point is, we do get too caught up in the idea of our freedom. So much so that we don't enjoy ourselves anymore because we are too busy wondering what the other person thinks!

I caught myself the other day, lecturing my kids, when all they were doing is just being kids!  I wanted them to do something a certain way, they did it their way, with the noisiness and dexterity of kids, and then some, and with a gaggle of friends!  I realised, wait a minute, what is my problem?  Let it go and let them be exactly what they should be doing, be kids!  Hope you understand what I'm trying to say there, I get so wordy sometimes!

on May 02, 2008

Why? Because there are actual underage girls out there that are being sold as sex girls (like in thailand, and ive read about it here too), girls who are taken advantage of sexually, and girls that have had nude pictures taken of them (of which some apparentlly have gotten out). Something like this is trivial compared to stuff like that.

The many cases I've heard about myself about young girls and boys who are being abused by grown men and women, it is a sad, sad thing.  It is horrific that there are children here and abroad who have to go through things like that, and live in situations like that every breathing moment.  The picture is trivial over something like this for sure. 

And I know the people who did protest it (the picture) went ahead of themselves and thought that this is where it would lead to with her (i.e., drugs, alcohol, etc). 

The thing is, as I said, they were putting the cart before the horse. She's a sensible girl, who still needs her parents guidance, obviously. But she was one of the lucky ones who tried something, and found out that it is not for her and realise that this is not the way to go. But instead of handling it in a way that would be positive for Miley Cyrus, all the media and every other person who was interviewed aobut it did was, predicted her downfall and basically made her feel like shit.  Which kid needs that type of thing dumped on them....none!

on May 02, 2008

Yes, we absolutely get too worked up about nudity etc.  We all have the same bits and pieces so to speak.  Do you remember when the government paid thousands of dollars for curtains to cover up a statue with a bare breast?  ridiculous. 

Of course, I don't think we should sexualize children either. 

on May 02, 2008

 

Do you remember when the government paid thousands of dollars for curtains to cover up a statue with a bare breast? ridiculous.

 

Uh uh....I'm a telling you...something is wrong with us!lol!

 

Of course, I don't think we should sexualize children either.

Of course not!

 

Oh and SanChonino....forgive me for mangling your alias! 

on May 02, 2008
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Sure, there are nude beaches in Europe, but there are nude beaches here too. The difference is, we have beaches where you can go if you want to associate with nudists and beaches where you can go if you don't. In their "enlightened" society, if you don't want to see nude bodies, you have to stay away from the beach. How is that "enlightened".

Are there public nude beaches here in the US? I thought they were all privately owned.

I also hear that we're too prudish when it comes to nudity in ads and articles. I like the fact that I get to decide if I want to buy magazines with nudity in them or not.

I like how you equate censorship with choice and how you imply there are no magazines in Europe devoid of nudity.

In Europe there are no choices, if you don't want to see nudity, well, tough. Worse yet, if you don't want to see nudity they pompously look down on you like there's something wrong with you.

That's right, in Europe they force you to look at naked people. No choice whatsoever.

So, do we get hot and bothered when nudity (or partial nudity) is thrust in our faces... yes. Why? Because we expect the freedom to decide for ourselves.

Actually, you expect the "freedom" to restrict others. Government legislation of "obscenity" is unnecessary. Seeing naked bodies hurts no one, though some (like mine ( but I'm working on it ) may be unpleasant to look at. It is not like theft, assault, or murder where there is a violation of rights or safety. We do not have the right to be unoffended if we go into the public.

Americans are way too uptight and too much into drama. Drama sells and I guess there's all this guilt that the Puritains brought with them. This is America.

I guess I am different because I was an Air Force brat and more time out of the US than in it when I was growing up, but I did think of mentioning how many of the initial settlers came to the US to avoid persecution due to them being too uptight.

It's kind of funny how nudity is seen as less provocative and less stimulating on its own where it is more common. (Of course, it makes perfect sense when the only time you see someone naked in repressed cultures is sexual in nature, you are going to associate the two intrinsically with each other.)
on May 02, 2008
The words I don't see anywhere are "modesty" and "appropriate". Are you guys really saying it is appropriate for a 15 year old girl to bare her back for the public? I don't think it is. She was literally inches away from a seriously chargable offense.

"Of course, I don't think we should sexualize children either.

Of course not!"

Well then, what was the purpose of those photos?

And as for Europe and their beaches...as sexy girl pointed out...those beaches make a better case for covering up than anything else.

on May 02, 2008
Ok. Now I am upset. Next time you have me click on a link for skanky pictures, I expect skanky pictures. Not some little girl socializing with her bff. For a real Disney scandal experience, check out Vanessa Hudgens. Now that girl was a slut.
on May 02, 2008
No. DOnt confuse the differences in culture for superiority. Look at the europeans burning cars and rioting - over what? Burkas. Europeans accept nude bathing more freely than america does. IN THIS ONE INSTANCE, you can say they do not get as hot and bothered as Americans do. But in too many others (Look at what is happening to Bridget Bardot!), they are more hot and bothered.

Everyone has hangups. To pretend that somehow EUropeans are better (and that is ignoring the other 75% of the world to boot) because they do not have the same hangups is just as naive as thinking that everyone thinks the same - because it makes sense.
on May 02, 2008
The words I don't see anywhere are "modesty" and "appropriate". Are you guys really saying it is appropriate for a 15 year old girl to bare her back for the public? I don't think it is. She was literally inches away from a seriously chargable offense.


I don't see a big problem with it. Girls wear bikinis, and I'm not sure why anyone would think a thin string just under the shoulders is superior to no thin string.

Plus chances are she's worn a backless dress before, so when we get down to it, what's the difference?

And as for Europe and their beaches...as sexy girl pointed out...those beaches make a better case for covering up than anything else.


Why? They're pretty sexless. Sunbathing topless isn't that uncommon in Australia (although it's more rare than in Europe). Some sleazy people go around staring, but it's meaningless really because the majority don't care and, as a result, it's not a big deal.

I can't imagine the kind of sheltered existence someone would have to live where the sight of a woman's breast is so horrifying that their life is changed forever. But in the US this sheltered existences seem to be oddly common. What do parents do over there? Is every child bottlefed and then blindfolded at bathtime?

The more blase we are about the human body the fewer unhealthy sexual obsessions are likely to spring up.
on May 02, 2008
The words I don't see anywhere are "modesty" and "appropriate". Are you guys really saying it is appropriate for a 15 year old girl to bare her back for the public? I don't think it is. She was literally inches away from a seriously chargable offense.

Maybe we should make sure she covers her ankles too...
on May 02, 2008
I think I have stumbled upon why Americans act so illogically sometimes. Americans will get upset over nothing, as long as you tell them they are supposed to. And Americans will believe anything, as long as you tell them its the truth.
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