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The gap between generations
Published on August 24, 2005 By foreverserenity In Internet
There seems to be a great divide in our technology friendly world. What, you might ask am I talking about now? I’m talking about that chasm that is opening up between my generation (the 30 and over crowd) and Generation “X” and Generation “Now”.

That penchant for our younger folks to just Google anything they want to learn about (and us too). Not too many folks read to obtain information anymore. Mention a word, a phrase or a name it’s off to Googleland to find out any and all information we may need.

While I’m not saying the Internet is bad, not at all! I for one applaud the use of the Internet and what it has done for humankind all over! What worries me is with the “X” and the “Now” generations, when it comes to learning and connecting with the history of any given subject and acquiring and being able to analyze information about a particular subject, they don’t know how to do that.

How do they develop the necessary skills that will teach them how to do research and explore the different methods and ideas on what to do to get the information they need other than going on the Internet? Does anyone remember Microfiche? Or those big ole books called Encyclopedias? Or Microfilm? Or Catalogs?

The other day I gave my son a lesson on how to search for something at the Library. He was shocked to learn that going on the Internet is not the only way to obtain information. The Library has a wide assortment of ways for you to obtain information. They do have computers and Internet access because they have to get with the times, i.e., with what everyone else is doing.

However, before computers there were a Reference section, Catalogs, and Microfiches or Microfilms searches available (although there are no more at least at our branch library). They do have another kind of search too. You can sit at this antiquated computer-looking type machine that has a telephone attached and speak to someone on the other end. You see the person you’re speaking to and they see you!

What I’m trying to get at though is that many students these days are finding the quickest route in doing their assignments. They cut and paste information from the Internet. Never mind that sometimes this may lead to plagiarism but how do they learn about a particular subject if this is all they do? Can they give thorough and accurate information on what they have done? Or correctly list the source of their information without siting a webpage?

What about that thirst for learning and the knowledge gain because of the paper you have to write on any subject that you might be assigned. You become so enrapt by the information that you’ve read about. You analyze and ask questions of your parents, teacher or peers. You learn to develop strategies in putting together a presentation for your teacher and are able to tell the history of what you’re seeking. You learn how to put sentences together to make an essay, to write knowledgeably about a topic. You learn new words, how to spell them and learn what they mean. You learn a lot by using other methods to do your research and not only by using the Internet.

While using the Internet is very helpful and might be a quicker way find what you seek (and there’s nothing wrong with that). However, let’s not forget that there are books out there to be read, information to be analyzed and skills to be learned if we take the time to do it.

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on Aug 24, 2005
since computers have become the "way" it will be the teacher of not just our children but our childrens children, get use to it

{{{{forever}}}}


MM
on Aug 24, 2005
Unfortunately, the library is looked at by many youngsters the same way a manual typewriter is looked at.... a throwback to the prehistoric era when their folks were young.
on Aug 24, 2005
You know you've been behind a computer too long when you miss Ctrl-F in the real world. You know you've been online too long when you miss search engines in your offline computer activities.

Though plagiarism is increasingly facilitated by Mr. Ctrl-C and Mrs. Ctrl-V living in their online marvel, I'd say that whether you use the Net, libraries or any other kind of material is rather irrelevant to what you're doing, as long as you make sure your source is credible. Catalogues need to be automated, microfilms (talk about archaic) need to be digitised. The media matters not, the content does.

And you can cut and paste from books too, by the way. It's just a bit more work.
on Aug 24, 2005
since computers have become the "way" it will be the teacher of not just our children but our childrens children, get use to it {{{{forever}}}}


You're right about that Elie. It will most definately be around for a long time. While I'm not knocking it because I love it myself (the Internet) I just wonder if kids are getting too used to it and not learning the "ins and outs" of doing actual research and in obtaining information.




Unfortunately, the library is looked at by many youngsters the same way a manual typewriter is looked at.... a throwback to the prehistoric era when their folks were young.


That's funny Mano! Libraries have had to get with the times, so to speak and now offer quite a lot of modern inventions! My kids enjoy going to the library every Saturday!


You know you've been behind a computer too long when you miss Ctrl-F in the real world. You know you've been online too long when you miss search engines in your offline computer activities.


Hahaha, I know what you mean. It's like you didn't function before all that!


Though plagiarism is increasingly facilitated by Mr. Ctrl-C and Mrs. Ctrl-V living in their online marvel, I'd say that whether you use the Net, libraries or any other kind of material is rather irrelevant to what you're doing, as long as you make sure your source is credible. Catalogues need to be automated, microfilms (talk about archaic) need to be digitised. The media matters not, the content does.


This is true. The source part of it can be rather difficult though. Because not too many people take the time to really find out the source from whom or where they get the information they use. Good ideas on the catalogues and microfilms. You know, I believe some libraries have began to digitised microfilms. I must have read this somewhere because that doesn't sound strange to me at all!

And you can cut and paste from books too, by the way. It's just a bit more work.


You got that right. And what a lot of trouble that is too! A total waste of time!
on Aug 24, 2005
A lot of it has to do with convenance. If you had some homework or an assignment to do, and you had to get some research or information, would you rather just sit down in front of your computer, OR get ready, drive (or walk) to the library, then find the book you're looking for and then drive back home. It's all a matter of convenance. I can honestly say that there is a very strong chance that I will never step into a library again. The internet has everything you could possible find PLUS more, than what a library has to offer. There's just no need to go to the library anymore.


Librarys are just a thing of the past.
on Aug 24, 2005
I knew I was in trouble the first time I was reading a novel and came across a character who had appeared before but I couldn't remember where, so I (mentally) just reached for the search key...

And it's not just computers, it's media in general. I find myself reaching the end of a session of reading, usually fiction, and before I'm ready to put the book down, I very often now flip ahead randomly and just read little bits. I pondered why I could be indulging in this behavior, and I eventually got it - it's exactly like the previews of next week's episode on some tv show!
on Aug 24, 2005
I am often pretty rough on teachers, so I welcome this chance to praise a few. All of the teachers my kids have had only allow 1 or 2 references from the internet on research and writing assignments. The kids complain but as you point out, it is still important for kids to know that there is a world beyond cyberspace!

The biggest threat to education and learning that I can see from any technology is when it is allowed to destroy automaticity (otherwise known as "second nature) in learning new information or actions.
on Aug 24, 2005
Here's something from the opposite side of the coin. While I don't disagree with some of the points above, I think that the internet can be an incredible bonus in places that don't have a library or have poor library resources. And there are many of those.

Students are taught to evaluate the credibility of the knowledge on the internet. Is it a good source? Who wrote it? When was it last updated?

How do you footnote or reference your sources from the internet? Students get that, too.

Of course students need to learn to use an index, use an encyclopedia and learn how to take information from primary sources.

Internet is way more convenient than microfiche.

And as far as plagarism goes, I have caught almost every student who has plagiarized from the internet. Not only does internet make it easy for students to plagiarize, it makes it way easier to catch students. Generally, you just have to google a suspicious phrase.

Sorry, to be short, but gotta go to school.
on Aug 24, 2005
Being the parent of a 15 year old who's been brought up with computers in school before we got one at home, I get the feeling you may have missed one aspect of the information gathering.
The teachers are quite open to getting your information from the internet, but reports and such have to be original from the student, credit given where the source information came from and proper credit to the original author. As with many things, micro film, eight-track, and even cassett tape will certanly vanish, just as we don't see many stone tablets being used these days. Ink and paper were faster than hammer and chisel, computers are faster and far more convienent than scheduling a trip to the library, trying to find a piece of information that could be in any number of catagories like and encyplopedia, an archived newspaper from 1945 etc.
When you're preparing a student for the real world, you need to get your answers quickly as well as accurate, if not the job goes to the one who beat you to the punch.
There is much that us older generations cherish and don't want to see go by the wayside like the talent of a type-setter in a printshop, the artist that converts paint and ink into an image that can be put into a magazine or book. I know, I'm one of those that grew up in the "old times" (I was born in 1950) and trying to keep up with the changing times, for better or worse.
on Aug 24, 2005
Ditto, Rep! Information is information, no matter the means of acquiring it. I suppose the difference is what you do with that information once you obtain it.

Mmmm! There's nothing like the smell of a brand new leather bound book when opening it for the first time! And even those (leather bound books) are difficult to come by now-a-days. I like to go to this very old bookstore up in Wells, Maine that has rooms upon rooms filled wall to wall, from floor to ceiling, millions of old and used books. Just as special as buying a brand new book, is opening a book that has been read by a mysterious someone who considers the experience as genuine as I.

I must be as old as you, Rep!
on Aug 24, 2005
I will agree with you foreverserenity,even if i am part of generation "X" (now 21),but as i see the net is not a really valid source of info exactly because there is no control over it. I study history and archaelogy at university,but whenever i have an essay or a project to do i won't find refuge to a PC. My common procedure is to use it as a research tool for finding books in libraries of my university or any other available library. I don't trust net-cyclopaedias exactly because noone controls them (like Wikipedia). Au contraire i do like to read books and as i may say,even after Sony or any other company lets out to the wide public electronic paper and paper-thin screens (i think it's planned to be released in 2008),i won't give in any of my books!Nothing can compete the smell and touch of old paper.
on Aug 24, 2005
Don't forget that microfilm and microfiche were once considered the heighth of technology. Computerization is just the latest step.
I still feel that nothing replaces a good book, though I've been reading more e-books lately.
My two kids (10 and 13) still prefer paper books to e-books. Our trips to the library are looked forward to.
Reppik, I've worked in printing for the last 20 years. The internet has cut into the print market somewhat, but ink on paper is alive and well. It's just all digital now. I used to strip negatives and cut color masks, make the shrinks and spreads. Man am I glad for Photoshop!
My knees and back certainly don't miss standing hunched over a light table for endless hours.
Progress may make us long for simpler times, but it's just the natural progression of things.
on Aug 24, 2005
Why bother having a teacher. Just put a computer on every students dek. I know that's the best way to do it because I've seen it in action. The "brilliant" guy that tried for four hours to put a video card in my computer. He didn't look to see how it was done, he just got the info off the net, by the way he is one of "Geek Squad". He couldn't do it. Four hours later, I told him to just put it back together, give me my $250, and when the warranty ran out I would do it myself. That's what I ended up doing. He didn't have sence enough to tie his own shoes (unless he lookedd on the computer to see how to do it). This is the most intelligent article I have seen> if other people would get there nose out of the computer and into the real world, I think things "might" get a little better. A hard learned lesson stays with you. Alesson on the computer is gone when you turn it off. Bravo to foreverserenity For this article.
on Aug 24, 2005
Why bother having a teacher. Just put a computer on every students dek. I know that's the best way to do it because I've seen it in action.


I learned how to play guitar and a few other things on the internet. However, I'm pretty sure the folks concerned were glad I didn't learn Paramedicine, Parachute Rigging or Search & Rescue online. ;~D
on Aug 24, 2005
I know of a local college where the faculty still encourage book research over web research. Paragraphs describing credibility and plagiarism are in every syllabi. There is an inverse relationship that is exercised here, as well. The more web-based sources being cited in a persons assignment, the lower their overall grade would become. Yeah, there may be computers all over the campus, but for a good majority of the classes, someone is better off not going to the web for research. This may be an easier and faster method, but it doesnt imply an easy or fast "A". You will see students on computers all the time...but, you will also see them reading and doing research in the other parts of the library.
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